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re: Where Have All the Teachers Gone?

Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:16 pm to
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:16 pm to
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I'm not sure reducing the size of the pool of potential applicants through an appearance pre-screening is the very best way to address the problem of not having enough successful applicants for the positions.


So you are advocating having lax standards in order to allow the dregs of society to become "teachers" simply to fill slots?
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:33 pm to
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So you are advocating having lax standards in order to allow the dregs of society to become "teachers" simply to fill slots?


Did you read my post about how difficult it is to get qualified teachers these days? The shortage is only going to increase. Some schools are resorting to simply hiring "warm bodies" to fill positions. Would you suggest robots without tattoos?
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45331 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:53 pm to
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They aren't teachers any longer; they are facilitators.


My 16 year old just told me this. She even said one of her teachers was warned not to teach during her evaluation visit. This particular teacher has put her home up for sale and will move out of state once it sells. She has 49 years in.

One of my neighbors is/was a coach/teacher. He quit last Friday. He has 30'ish years of experience.

The facilitator label is ridiculous.
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4976 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

So you are advocating having lax standards in order to allow the dregs of society to become "teachers" simply to fill slots?


Well, it works for football.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120046 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 2:59 pm to
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Pepe Lepew


In true form. How are you?
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:13 pm to
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To each his own. IMO it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children about appropriate attire and professionalism. If they're depending upon a teacher to set that standard (and solely on the teacher's appearance no less) then they have bigger problems.

We have a pretty lax dress code for the students as well. And we have multiple students that have been accepted to Ivy League schools, have several National Merit Scholars, etc. As long as they know when and where certain dress is appropriate, I couldn't care less if they show up in pajamas as long as they're completing their course work/participating.

It's a pretty archaic rationale to assume that a dress code = the only opportunity to teach kids about discipline and professionalism.


Well, if you're at where I think you are, then you should know that a magnet school isn't the normal experience for 90+% of the U.S. student population.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
106102 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:17 pm to
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Well, if you're at where I think you are, then you should know that a magnet school isn't the normal experience for 90+% of the U.S. student population.


I never said it was.

Just that the assertion that you have to have a strict teacher dress code for your kid to be successful and to learn discipline/professionalism is silly. FWIW, I worked in a PLA school before this with well dressed teachers too.
Posted by LPgolfer
Member since Jul 2015
1042 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:47 pm to
"Where my country gone"?

Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
20381 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 3:50 pm to
If you got rid of compulsory school attendance in this country, we'd fix 90 percent of the education problems overnight.

Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4976 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 4:48 pm to
quote:

So you are advocating having lax standards in order to allow the dregs of society to become "teachers" simply to fill slots?


I'm asserting that in today's society a very effective teacher might have a visible tattoo, regardless what I would prefer personally.
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16857 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:02 pm to
A better question might be where have all the good parents gone.
Oh yeah. To the private school system where the teachers sign up to start at 30k a year and actually like their jobs.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138159 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:04 pm to
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A better question might be where have all the good parents gone. Oh yeah. To the private school system where the teachers sign up to start at 30k a year and actually like their jobs.


this only happens in poor states like Louisiana

so many good public school districts in affluent states
Posted by Sir Drinksalot
Member since Aug 2005
16857 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 5:05 pm to
We will never be "affluent"
Posted by gingerkittie
Member since Aug 2013
2675 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 7:35 pm to
Although I am highly qualified and love teaching a lot, I doubt I would ever go back to teaching in a public school or a private one again. The risks are just to great. I did not spend all that time and money to get a degree so that I could lose it all while I defended myself against a violent student, had an angry parent attack me, had a student/parent lie about something, etc.

I taught at a public school where there where 5 teachers out on "assault pay". One was pushed down a flight of stairs by students who did not like that she was strict and expected them to do their work.

Another had her arm crushed in a door. She reached in the door to her class and the students purposefully pushed against the door to crush her arm.

As for me, I had a budding young psychopath tell me he would "bust a cap in my white arse", who was from a well known violent gang family and had easy access to guns. i also had my vehicle broken into 3 times (windows busted in) in a 4 month period. The principal knew who the culprits were but felt that they could not afford to fix it so why punish them? They were not written up, reprimanded or even suspended.

I was blamed for parking my vehicle by the school. The school was between 2 very notorious projects so it would be dangerous to park my car farther from the school and closer to them.

OPSB did a training class on what teachers should so when attacked by a student. We were advised to raise our hands up so that everyone could see we were not touching the student. If we were to touch the student, even to defend ourselves, we would be fired and sued for "assault".

This is why I quit teaching and also why I will be creating my own "private school" to teach my grandchild and our families young children of the same age. I have already begun the process of finding a suitable building and beginning the process of establishing the school.
This post was edited on 10/24/15 at 5:11 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20459 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 8:03 pm to
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This is why I quit teaching and also why I will be creating my own "private school" to teach my grandchild and our families young children of the same age. I have already begun the process of finding a suitable building and beginning the process of establishing the school.



Need a teacher? Or better yet, a curriculum coordinator/specialist?

I'm applying to a few top tier PhD programs, but if I don't get in, I'll have to go back into teaching. I really don't want to go back to teaching public school.
Posted by gingerkittie
Member since Aug 2013
2675 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 8:38 pm to
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Need a teacher? Or better yet, a curriculum coordinator/specialist?

I'm applying to a few top tier PhD programs, but if I don't get in, I'll have to go back into teaching. I really don't want to go back to teaching public school.


I would love to get to the point where I had another teacher on-board with me to create a small private and/or charter school. I specialize in early childhood education and would like to have a fellow teacher who specialized in the older grade and subjects.

You might want to look into becoming a homeschool teacher/consultant/specialist or freelancer. I had a great job once, homeschooling a doctor's daughter. She was a very talented tennis player and public school hours interfered with her tennis lessons.

I also worked for homeschooling setting up social activities, tutoring, curriculum advisers and such. With homeschooling becoming so popular there are a million opportunities out there for you to find your niche and create a lucrative career in it.

Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
7441 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:07 pm to
Bluegrass where do you teach? I'd like to make sure I never apply there. I enjoy teaching and the kids are fun to be around. All the red tape from the top though makes it a buzz kill and I understand why so many would rather do something else. If I wasn't coaching ball then there would be absolutely no way I'd stay in education
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89756 posts
Posted on 10/22/15 at 9:42 pm to
Here are my suggestions:

Dump the general studies curriculum and systematically adopt a model similar to Germany that plays to student's strengths

Dump the agrarian school calendar and make school 12 months a year

Dump the Federal Dept of Education

Dump the Teacher's Union and tenure and place everyone on annual contracts, including administrators

Overturn the desegregation policy and return to neighborhood schools

That is a good start

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