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re: When did you first become aware of your privilege?

Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:52 pm to
dynamite drop in, Rog
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:52 pm to
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You’re not privileged because you grew up in a two parent, one income home (that your parents owned)? Interesting

That, sir, is not privilege. That is a family that valued hard work, traditional family values, and sticking it out through hard times. You know, all the shite that used to be the goal. frick off with your "privileged" bullshite. Literally ANY person in this country can do what my family did. Period.

Because someone else chooses to live in shite and blame their lot in life on everyone but themselves does NOT make me privileged. We have a MASSIVE lack of personal responsibility problem in this country. We have a MASSIVE lack of self respect problem in this country. None of that makes me privileged.
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:53 pm to

You are arguing with mthrfkers who just want to argue..

They are ignoring the CONTEXT of what privilege means in 2020, arguing semantics and being all around intellectually dishonest.

If you want real intellectual debate, you would be better off talking to your dog, at least he's sincere....
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:53 pm to
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Literally ANY person in this country can do what my family did. Period.


So why didn’t everyone choose to be born into a family like yours?
Posted by The Hurricane
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:54 pm to
When the NOPD officer allowed me to make a phone call while in the back of cop car after being arrested for reckless driving and then being able to pay my fine instead of getting bonded out.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:54 pm to
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They are ignoring the CONTEXT of what privilege means in 2020


No. We are arguing what it means to us.

Why would I allow others beliefs to form my opinions?

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arguing semantics and being all around intellectually dishonest.


perhaps a little self reflection
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:54 pm to
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If I compared the single 2 legged competitor to the 1 legged guy? Yea, I would.


And completely unrealistic when talking about “privilege” and “advantage” across a society.

No one is take one specific 25 year old and comparing his/her advantages to another specific 25 year old.



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The 999 2 legged guys would all be on equal footing with each other, no pun intended, and would all have the advantage over the 1 legged guy.

This isn’t complicated.


And you would quickly evaluate that the difference in outcomes is attributable to the lack of a leg for the one guy(because it’s an easy example). And it would take more to figure out why the rest of the bottom 50 are in that position.

But society doesn’t do that right now. It looks at the top 100 two-legged runners and says that they were privileged to have two legs.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:55 pm to
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So long as children are born to poor 1 parent households, born with birth defects, born in war torn countries, etc, being fortunate enough to be born healthy to a stable 2 parent household will always be a privilege.



Your definition of "privilege" is grossly overbroad, contrary to the established usage of privilege, and conflates "privilege" and "advantage." By your definition, any genetic advantages are also "privileges," right ? If a person is born tall and strong and has a eidetic memory, he or she has nothing to do with those traits, did not work to generate them, merely inherited them by happenstance. So by your definition, those genetic traits are "privileges", yes?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:55 pm to
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When I was in my late teens early 20's I apparently didn't come to a complete at a stop sign. A cop pulled up behind me, threw his lights on.

I didn't try to run from him. Instead, I put on my blinker, pulled over, had my drivers license and registration in hand.

As he approached me, I did 't fight him or argue with him. I didn't try to steal his weapons either. I was respectful and polite.

He gave me a traffic ticket and asked that I make a better effort to come to a complete stop next time.

To this this day, I always make sure to come to a complete stop at stop signs.
That’s a nice story, but we all know that if you were black, the cop would have still killed you.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:56 pm to
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Manning and Brady were peers in the same position at the same company. Literally a direct comparison.


And yet determining who was “more successful” is still unquantifiable
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:58 pm to
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Privilege is not mere advantage.


Really? Because it’s the literal definition.

quote:
noun
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.


Did you miss the key qualifying phrase in the definition: "a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group."

Is a two parent or stable home a "special" advantage that is "available only" to one racial group?
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:58 pm to
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So why didn’t everyone choose to be born into a family like yours?



Nice try. When you become an adult, you have every option available to you. I assure you many people would have had it easier than I did. I missed qualifying for college grants because my parents made literally $27 too much. It is easier for a poor person to pay for college than someone from a middle class family.

As a child, you are limited by your family. As an adult, you have only yourself to blame.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:58 pm to
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Your definition of "privilege" is grossly overbroad, contrary to the established usage of privilege, and conflates "privilege" and "advantage."


the definition of privilege is broad

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By your definition, any genetic advantages are also "privileges," right ? If a person is born tall and strong and has a eidetic memory, he or she has nothing to do with those traits, did not work to generate them, merely inherited them by happenstance. So by your definition, those genetic traits are "privileges", yes?


I don't speak for TH, but from my perspective, yes
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:01 pm to
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Your definition of "privilege" is grossly overbroad, contrary to the established usage of privilege, and conflates "privilege" and "advantage


I posted the literal definition, but feel free to argue with the dictionary.

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By your definition, any genetic advantages are also "privileges," right ? If a person is born tall and strong and has a eidetic memory, he or she has nothing to do with those traits, did not work to generate them, merely inherited them by happenstance. So by your definition, those genetic traits are "privileges", yes?



Are you trying to say that genetic advantages aren’t advantages? So now you want to argue against the dictionary and evolution?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:02 pm to
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Is a two parent or stable home a "special" advantage that is "available only" to one racial group?


No.

If you can’t actually read what I post, I’m not going to waste my time with you.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Is a two parent or stable home a "special" advantage that is "available only" to one racial group?



I don't know why you felt the need to force "racial" into this question...

but with the amount of unstable and single parent homes these days, it could absolutely be viewed as a special advantage to a particular person or group

and that group would be anyone that has those values or commitment instilled in them and are capable of actively living those values
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:04 pm to
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And yet determining who was “more successful” is still unquantifiable


More successful? The guy who won more championships. That is the ultimate measure of success for an NFL player. “You play to win the game.”

If you said who was better, your argument would make more sense.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:05 pm to
These guys want so badly for it to be a race thing. It’s almost sad.
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:05 pm to
I don't give a rats arse about any of this crap.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
4948 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:07 pm to
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I don't speak for TH, but from my perspective, yes


So you believe that heritable traits like intelligence or athleticism are "special" advantages that are "available only" to certain groups? That's interesting.

In any event, I don't think there is any need to continue the debate. Both you and TH3 have effectively made "privilege" synonymous with "advantage." And there we have no disagreement. Being born into a stable home is indeed an advantage. But the question becomes: what accounts for that advantage. And the only true answer is that the advantage is predominantly a product of the hard work, talents, discipline, and sacrifices of the parents and other ancestors. No one should be forced to repudiate the hard won advantages of their families, nor the fruits of their own labors.
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