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re: When did you first become aware of your privilege?

Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:41 pm to
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Yes. The drivers behind the outcomes. My entire point in this thread


Except that you are viewing it completely backwards based on a false premise.

Go back to my watered down example. If those 1000 competitors raced 100 times and the one-legged guy came in the bottom 100 every time, how would you being to investigate the reason for the consistent outcome?

You certainly would not start and stop at declaring having two legs as an advantage.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:41 pm to
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Having two parents isn’t a “privilege” you fricking moron.


Explain how it isn't. Use data.

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Are two parent households only available to whites?


Nope. Never even came close to implying such thing.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:42 pm to
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noun
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.


So long as children are born to poor 1 parent households, born with birth defects, born in war torn countries, etc, being fortunate enough to be born healthy to a stable 2 parent household will always be a privilege.

I really don’t understand how this is even debatable or controversial.

I’m not saying it’s white or black or even remotely saying this is the only variable that matters. Kids from rich families fail and kids from poor families succeed, but more often than not a kid from a stable 2 parent household will have the best chance to succeed.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:43 pm to
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wouldn't "as successful" be the question?


No, because success isn’t a static evaluation.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
80 years ago black people had a higher percentage of two parent homes than white people.

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At the root of most of the problems black people face is the breakdown of the family structure. Slightly over 70% of black children are raised in female-headed households. According to statistics about fatherless homes, 90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes; 71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father figure; 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes; 71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes; and 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions have no father. Furthermore, fatherless boys and girls are twice as likely to drop out of high school and twice as likely to end up in jail.

One might say, “Williams, one cannot ignore the legacy of slavery and the gross racism and denial of civil rights in yesteryear!” Let’s look at whether black fatherless homes are a result of a “legacy of slavery” and racial discrimination. In the late 1800s, depending on the city, 70% to 80% of black households were two-parent. Dr. Thomas Sowell has argued, “The black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and discrimination, began rapidly disintegrating in the liberal welfare state that subsidized unwed pregnancy and changed welfare from an emergency rescue to a way of life.”

As late as 1950, only 18% of black households were single parent. From 1890 to 1940, a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults. In 1938, black illegitimacy was about 11% instead of today’s 75%. In 1925, 85% of black households in New York City were two-parent. Today, the black family is a mere shadow of its past.


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Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
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Sure it does. It just destroys your argument

not in the slightest
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:44 pm to
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No, because success isn’t a static evaluation.


It is to the Left.

Ever notice how most of their arguments about "equality" almost always end up being about money?
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:45 pm to
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really don’t understand how this is even debatable or controversial.



It’s controversial because it’s oversimplified and is used to shield against discussion of the actual societal problems
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:46 pm to
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Except that you are viewing it completely backwards based on a false premise.


How so? What false premise?

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You certainly would not start and stop at declaring having two legs as an advantage.


Of course not.

Here is my view on all of this:

I want to be able to identify as many advantage/disadvantages as I can, so that I can apply that to my household and help my children be as successful as they can possibly be.

I can use examples of advantage and disadvantages to aid me in this.

I'm fascinated about what drivers equal what outcomes.
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:46 pm to
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Explain how it isn't. Use data


Are you willfully conflating the terms "advantage" and "privilege"? There is no need for data to demonstrate that a two parent home is an advantage, but not a "privilege." A privilege by its very definition denotes (and connotes) something that arbitrarily attaches to a particular rank or class and is only available to that class. That's what a privilege is. Privilege is not mere advantage.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:46 pm to
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When did you first become aware of your privilege

When I started posting on Tiger Droppings, I realized how privileged I was that God had blessed me and set me apart from the miserable and wretched posters.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
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would you assert that a single, two-legged competitor was advantaged? No, of course not.


If I compared the single 2 legged competitor to the 1 legged guy? Yea, I would.

The 999 2 legged guys would all be on equal footing with each other, no pun intended, and would all have the advantage over the 1 legged guy.

This isn’t complicated.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
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No, because success isn’t a static evaluation.


Its sports. We can use all kinds of stats to define success.

Peyton Manning was successful, but he wasn't as successful as Tom Brady.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:49 pm to
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It’s controversial because it’s oversimplified and is used to shield against discussion of the actual societal problems


Salmon and I have stated multiple times that this is one piece of it all and in no way the end all be all, yet you keep conflating our words with whatever it is you want to argue against. Are you missing this or willfully ignoring it to do whatever it is you’re doing?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:49 pm to
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A privilege by its very definition denotes (and connotes) something that arbitrarily attaches to a particular rank or class and is only available to that class. That's what a privilege is. Privilege is not mere advantage.


can you post this definition? because I'm not seeing it

I'm seeing a "particular group or person"

nothing to do with rank or class
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Except that you are viewing it completely backwards based on a false premise.


Bingo.

Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Peyton Manning was successful, but he wasn't as successful as Tom Brady.


Some would argue the opposite and have data in support.

Hence why “successful” isn’t a static measure.

Better example: who is more successful A renowned neurosurgeon or the world’s most decorated musician?

It’s an impossible comparison yet society would consider both wildly successful.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:50 pm to
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Privilege is not mere advantage.


Really? Because it’s the literal definition.

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noun
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Better example: who is more successful A renowned neurosurgeon or the world’s most decorated musician?


lol what? Manning and Brady were peers in the same position at the same company. Literally a direct comparison.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:51 pm to
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Some would argue the opposite and have data in support.


Ok. I'll concede that.

Although since you are big on "societal" views, society pretty much universally agrees that Tom Brady is more successful than Peyton Manning.

So...lets try to be consistent.

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