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re: What’s your opinion of paid maternity/paternity leave?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If I want to use leave for it, I will.
What does the word fungible mean to you?
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Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:05 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Give it to them....Both parents. And forgive their student loans. If they didn't have any, just pay them some cash. Oh and pay for the medical bills in full. Once they are willing to come back to work, pay for any child care needed, private preferred (want to make sure they are conditioned for homeschooling) Finally (for now anyway) set the kid up for paid private schooling thru HS.
Holy hyperbole, Batman.
It actually isn't hyperbole, most of it is actually already a fact of life in the US. Student loans represent money that the lender has loaned someone and when that someone defaults the lender is made whole by the taxpayer. The lender is made whole by the taxpayer and the borrower is drowned in debt and thus not as productive as they would otherwise be. Almost 80% of the current federally guaranteed student loans in the US are either in default, will be in default or have been in default at some point in time. The money is gone, the school received it, why we continue to chase this bad debt and place young people in dire financial shape is beyond me,,,,it certainly isn't about the money, we have already spent the money.
Medical bills and health care is even more ridiculously illogical. Folks who pay their bills now also pay the bills of those who can't or won't pay. There is no difference in walking into walmart and stealing a pair of jeans and walking into a health care providers and stealing health care, except of course the latter is often required to survive while the former is not. What happens at walmart and the health care providers is the customers who do pay pay for those who do not.. No business is capable of reaching in their pocket and paying for theft....they pass the cost onto paying customers. We are already paying for the uninsured and the underinsured...we are also paying for collection processes. We are also paying more for workers comp and general liability insurance and auto insurance and homeowners because of the unisured and underinsured....because the largest portion of ALL insurance is risk to medical bills. Everyone in the United States gets the medical care they need IF they make the effort....if they can't or won't pay the paying customer picks up the difference. There is no free lunch. Someone has got to pay and the only people who can pay are paying customers.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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What does the word fungible mean to you?
"interchangeable."
Not sure what hipster new age definitions you kids use today.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
A rational actor would always use the paid time first and never bank over taking unpaid leave.
Why did you make up this strange scenario?
Why did you make up this strange scenario?
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
The autists see everything in extremes.
This is a very unique situation. I will use the leave as it best suits us.
Its fantastic to have that option.
This is a very unique situation. I will use the leave as it best suits us.
Its fantastic to have that option.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The autists see everything in extremes.
Rationality isn’t extreme.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:13 pm to Sam Quint
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what i love about paternity leave is when the dudes leave and then someone else has to do their work for eight weeks
in before - EXPERTS AND MANY STUDIES SAY THIS ISNT HAPPENING
yes, it's fricking happening. guys just up and leaving work for months at a time is painful for everyone else because they have to pull up the slack and it's annoying as frick.
Where are all of these companies that are so poorly managed that they have employees who are not doing the maximum amount of work possible every day? If you have 2 employees and one is out and the other is capable of producing the same amount the company has one employee too many. That company is not being managed properly. The same is true of having 500 and having one out. I do not care what the work is, if the other employees can do it why did you have the one who is out on the payroll to start with?
This was true back when the Affordable Care act was being debated. It was going to cause businesses to lay off people left and right or raise prices. Anyone making such an argument is ignorant of the way a business hires employees or sets pricing. A rise in the cost of production is not part of the equation. If it were there would be no need to manage costs, just pass them on to the consumer without a thought. A properly managed business does not hire another employee so their existing employees will have less work to do...that is insane. They hire another employee to produce more. They also can not necessarily raise prices due to an increase in the cost of production....if they can and suffer no loss in sales they weren't priced right to begin with. This is the essence of management. Controlling costs to ensure costs do not exceed revenue.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:17 pm to Hampton
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Do you remember when America was great? We didn't have all this type of shite. All this is is more woke shite. Be a man. By the way when America was great dads didn't take this type of leave and raised great kids.
America is great as we speak. What era was it great in your mind? I know you won't answer that question because I know and you know that this country was never greater than it is today and it ain't as great today as it will be tomorrow. There once was a time when it was greater for some folks for certain....but it is at its greatest for the most people today and will be better tomorrow for more people. I don't know why y'all won't be honest about this...everyone knows damn well what you mean and at best its pretty sickening...at worst it is downright rotten. Being cagey about it instead of simply being honest leads to the worst conclusion....but it seems like you are being smart being cagey when in fact everyone sees it for what it is...a longing for a mythical era or shear ignorance where you can't answer a simple question...when did America stop being great?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:19 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Where are all of these companies that are so poorly managed that they have employees who are not doing the maximum amount of work possible every day?
pretty retard way to run a business to be so lean that you need to 100% output from everybody
people will take time off, get sick or quit.
running that lean leads to decades industry knowledge lost because fat arse has a stroke and no one knows how to handle his accounts, ask me how i know.
This post was edited on 8/12/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:22 pm to DeafJam73
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You mean back when dad could make enough money to pay the mortgage and food on the table while mom stayed home with the kids? Yeah, that’s not possible for the majority of working people anymore.
Back when 30% of American workers belonged to a labor union and there were tariifs on imports that protected US jobs, prior to our becoming addicted to "free trade" and $5 packs of 3 t shirts at walmart?
I was in a Food Lion just last week and there was a man in his 50s working stocking produce. That man could have, not many years ago, made a good living stocking produce in a grocery store. I bet if the one I saw last week doesn't have a military pension or some other source of income he is a burden on the taxpayer in this country.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:27 pm to AwgustaDawg
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. That man could have, not many years ago, made a good living stocking produce in a grocery store.
when was that ever the case?
the 50s when it was a small family-owned store and he was the son?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:29 pm to Deuces
I'm sure Mayor Pete Buttplug knows everything about maternity leave
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:30 pm to AwgustaDawg
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prior to our becoming addicted to "free trade"
You dont trust people, you trust government.
Free trade is just my ability to make economic decisions sans government.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Its fantastic to have that option.
Yeah.
So why do you oppose companies providing paternal leave for their employees?
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:34 pm to Salmon
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So why do you oppose companies providing paternal leave for their employees?
I dont
Never said I did.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:35 pm to Dire Wolf
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running that lean leads to decades industry knowledge lost because fat arse has a stroke and no one knows handle handle his accounts, ask me how i know.
We’re experiencing that right now. Good employees leave, are replaced by low skilled part time employees and the load is dispersed to the other workers. Then management has the audacity to ask why morale is low.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Never said I did.
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Corporations should all offer it,
Its small business that cant compete.
This is how you add more levels of corporatization to your life. Destroy them with barriers to entry. They cant compete with that shite.
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Use your leave, so your company doesnt have to make the sacrifice you failed to make.
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If a guy cant utilize his leave correctly, you hired poorly. Its up to him to deal with his life.
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No, I dont need paternal leave.
No one does. Use your personal leave time you always have had.
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Excelt the excellent Democrat line, word for word regarding "employers taking care of families" which we both know is emotional drivel
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:40 pm to Salmon
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Excelt the excellent Democrat line, word for word regarding "employers taking care of families" which we both know is emotional drivel
Indeed.
Universal paternity leave would be mandated, otherwise most companies wouldnt offer it as it provides no benefit in the modern day.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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it provides no benefit in the modern day.
The smartest and most successful businesses to ever exist disagree.
Posted on 8/12/24 at 12:42 pm to Pepe Lepew
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I think the dad’s getting 8 weeks is ridiculous, and taking it through the year like vacation, not just when the baby is born.
I think the new LA Gov policy gives state employees 12 weeks to use 6 weeks of leave.
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