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re: What was it like growing up in America in those days
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:40 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:40 pm to OMLandshark
The Wonder Years is a true picture of what growing up in the 60s/70s was like. It was definitely a simpler time, great music, felt much safer. However, as the 60s moved to 65,66, 67, drugs became so readily available...people OD'ing, Viet Nam was horrible and our vets treated terribly, racial strife was miserable, and the ugly side of humanity surfaced with hatred. I believe the late 60s led to a loss of innocence in the nation, less national pride, less respect for our fellow human beings.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:40 pm to RedRifle
I remember one day in first grade in the 60's, a kid brought brought his dad's pistol to show and tell. The teacher made him put it away and told him not to do it again.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 8:49 pm to slaphappy
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I believe the late 60s led to a loss of innocence in the nation
I believe you have a very romanticized view of the end of WWII to the formation of the Beatles. It wasn't always like that.
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less national pride,
If our nation is doing stupid and fricked up things, should we just blindly have national pride? I have absolutely no pride for what happened in Vietnam.
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less respect for our fellow human beings.
I thoroughly disagree with this. I give the Boomers shite, but they're the first to embrace people outside of the social norms of the time. Before them, any people who were different were met with extreme oppression and violence. They showed love for the outcasts in society in a way the previous generations didn't, and each generation has gotten progressively more open minded and accepting of people who are different.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:00 pm to BS
The zeal of the post war 50's was certainly tarnished by the assassinations of JFK, MLK,Jr., RFK, the horrid realities of the Viet Nam war, and the inabilities for our laws to recognize the black man as the white man's equal directly led to the negative change in the 60's. Look at the disparity in something as simple as the Beatles in '64 and the Beatles in '69...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:03 pm to RedRifle
I was born in 1951 and went through most of elementary school and high school in the 60s (graduated HS in 1969). You cannot really talk about what it was like growing up then without the turmoil. We saw the Berlin Wall built and watched on TV as people were shot trying to escape from East Germany; we lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis and heard Khrushchev declare "We will bury you!"; we had air raid drills so that we could "survive" a nuclear bomb (lol); we had the assassinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK; Viet Nam was in full swing; I first heard the word "apartheid" and the name "Nelson Mandela"; segregation was a hot issue, even in NYC where I grew up. Lots of bad stuff.
But it was a great time. The music is still the best (IMO); it was great not to be in constant contact (busy signals on the phone and just not having a cell phone to be in constant communication 24/7) -- I loved being "unavailable". Dreaming of owning a T-Bird or a 64 Mustang convertible. Playing organized ball, but enjoying pick-up games more. Being out from sun up until the street lights came on during the summer. They were great times, but were tempered by what was going on in the world and in the country.
But it was a great time. The music is still the best (IMO); it was great not to be in constant contact (busy signals on the phone and just not having a cell phone to be in constant communication 24/7) -- I loved being "unavailable". Dreaming of owning a T-Bird or a 64 Mustang convertible. Playing organized ball, but enjoying pick-up games more. Being out from sun up until the street lights came on during the summer. They were great times, but were tempered by what was going on in the world and in the country.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:04 pm to TigerPanzer
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And you might caveat that your characterization of Thompson is hardly universal, but merely an opinion of yours and those of your kind. And even IF Thompson was one of the most miserable people in history, he wrote about at least one person who was far, far more miserable than himself, and it sure as hell wasn't LBJ. What's more, you can stand Johnson or any other president up against Nixon and it's no contest--the breadth and scope of the Nixon Administration's documented, proven crimes compare to the other gentlemens' like an elephant shite to a rodent pellet.
God damn, this Nixon talk is making me ill. Enough.
You're probably the most intense Nixon hater I've ever encountered, which is odd, especially given the travesty of the Johnson administration and his atrocious Vietnam failings.
I'm not sure what "my kind" is as it pertains to Hunter S. Thompson. I'm guessing it means those that don't worship suicidal, pseudo-enlightened drug addicts?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:05 pm to IonaTiger
Quality post. Pointing out the quality points of growing up then without the bullshite of saying it was perfect and crime/worry free.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:15 pm to IonaTiger
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IonaTiger
We are the same age. You are exactly right about both the positives and negatives of this era. I would not trade having grown up in the 60's for anything. We were witness to an amazing amount of change both social and economical. We have seen the explosion of the communications world from the invention of the tv set to the miracle of instant (and constant) connectivity.
There is a great deal of regret for some of the things that happened but there is also a nostalgia for the simplicity of life back then. Suffice it to say, it has been a privilege and an honor to see the progress that has been made and look forward to seeing much, much more.
Party on !
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:17 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
I think that as we get older we tend to remember things "the way they never were" and romanticize our youth. The 60s were a scary time. I remember being terrified of the USSR -- they were gonna nuke us. I remember as a 9 year old kid going shopping with a babysitter on Staten Island and a guy handed me a flyer that I just caught a glimpse of before the babysitter snatched it away from me. It had a caricature of a black man and it was an anti-integration flyer -- yes, we had more than our share of bigotry up north, it wasn't something that was only in the south. My babysitter crumpled it up and told me not to listen to that crap. I remember being shocked at her language, as she was preparing to enter the convent.
There was a lot wrong in the country and in the world during the 60s. But as dangerous as the world was then, we knew our enemies. Today, our enemies don't wear uniforms and don't fight traditional wars. In my opinion, we live in a far more dangerous world today.
Each generation has its challenges. Mine didn't fare as well as our parent's generation (the greatest generation, in my opinion, that saved the world from Hitler and Tojo). I hope my son's generation can turn things around.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:19 pm to OldTigahFot
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OldTigahFot
As strange as it was (especially for a guy like me who only experimented with scotch whiskey) I would not trade the time I grew up for any other time. It was a ride!
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:24 pm to colorchangintiger
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Maybe so, but unless we're in a global conflict, I won't be saying those were the days.
Of course you will. You just don't understand why yet. This has repeated for generations, and always will
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:27 pm to TigerPanzer
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And the LSD back then was 1000X better, too
Yeah, but the bud is way better now. I remember 6 of us kids riding in the family Ford Fairlane , metal dashboard, no seat belts, Dad smoking in the car and the magnetic statue of the Blessed Mother on the dash board.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:33 pm to RedRifle
Watch HBO's Rome, but Game of Thrones
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:44 pm to Pettifogger
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and that LBJ was likely the most disgusting person to serve as POTUS.
I came here to post that. There has never been a bigger piece of shite in the Oval Office, although the current occupant is giving LBJ a real run for the money.
LC
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:49 pm to Pettifogger
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You're probably the most intense Nixon hater I've ever encountered,
He hates Nixon because someone told him he should. Probably an LBJ lover.
LC
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:50 pm to LongueCarabine
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I came here to post that. There has never been a bigger piece of shite in the Oval Office
Woodrow Wilson was a little worse
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:55 pm to IonaTiger
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There was a lot wrong in the country and in the world during the 60s. But as dangerous as the world was then, we knew our enemies. Today, our enemies don't wear uniforms and don't fight traditional wars. In my opinion, we live in a far more dangerous world today.
You're reasonable, but I have to disagree. Our new enemies live in the shadows, but I don't think they have any true power. They talk a big game, but they can't walk it in the same way as the enemies of your generation could. We are living in the single most peaceful time in human history.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:02 pm to OMLandshark
September 10, 2001 was my 50th birthday. I was out with friends and we were talking about how great things would be for our kids. The Cold War was over and we won. The USSR was done.
The next day a group of unknowns took down the WTC; hit The Pentagon; and a third jet plane ended up in a filed in Shanksville, Pa. With the crazies in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the likes I believe that it's just a matter of time before we suffer a more tragic day than 9/11/01. I hope I am wrong and that these people will never be able to pull off a feat like that again. We just do not know. They do not fear assured mutual destruction as the USA and USSR did in the 60s.
The next day a group of unknowns took down the WTC; hit The Pentagon; and a third jet plane ended up in a filed in Shanksville, Pa. With the crazies in Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the likes I believe that it's just a matter of time before we suffer a more tragic day than 9/11/01. I hope I am wrong and that these people will never be able to pull off a feat like that again. We just do not know. They do not fear assured mutual destruction as the USA and USSR did in the 60s.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:04 pm to IonaTiger
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But it was a great time. The music is still the best (IMO); it was great not to be in constant contact (busy signals on the phone and just not having a cell phone to be in constant communication 24/7) -- I loved being "unavailable". Dreaming of owning a T-Bird or a 64 Mustang convertible. Playing organized ball, but enjoying pick-up games more. Being out from sun up until the street lights came on during the summer. They were great times, but were tempered by what was going on in the world and in the country.
Remember the first time you and I really talked on here was about 'ghost runners' in pick up games.
Good post IT. and the one that you followed with also.
The primary difference I see between now and then is the freedom that kids had then. Today's parents seem unable to give their children too much time on their own. My father died very young so my Mother worked. I guess we would have been latchkey kids had we used the latch. Never locked our doors and had to be forced to come in at night to eat. The adults in our lives did not have the desire to spend time with us...and it led to more independence at an earlier age. I could go on but I have to go chase some kids out of the yard.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:04 pm to IonaTiger
It was a climax for our country, and it turned us from a cautious country to a fear mongering one. It's really sad now how we blow every minor thing out of proportion.
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