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re: What royal house was the best in the U.K. History?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:19 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:19 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Tudors
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Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:35 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Not house of Windsor, considering they’ve lost control over basically 1/2 the world.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:46 pm to waiting4saturday
Hanover
A small island nation controlled a world-wide empire during the house of Hanover. Victorian England is one of the most remarkable achievements in history.
A small island nation controlled a world-wide empire during the house of Hanover. Victorian England is one of the most remarkable achievements in history.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 7:55 pm to SoFla Tideroller
But was it Hanover that gained control of the world or another house?
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:00 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Our House, is a very, very, very fine House....
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Plantagenet
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:02 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Well, they gained control of India during this time, which would be amazing in itself. Much of the African colonies were brought in during this period. Add in Malaya, Singapore and others and it was true "the sun never sets on the British Empire" under the Hanover dynasty.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:21 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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"the sun never sets on the British Empire" under the Hanover dynasty
Yeah but they lost to a few colonists in what would end up becoming the most powerful country in the world within the next century or so.
That’s gotta take away from that.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Even Saban isn’t undefeated...
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:43 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
If I wanted to spend time learning about an inbred family I would've posted a "how was your easter?" thread on the bama board.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:46 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Yeah but that is a pretty big loss in hindsight.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:52 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1901-1910)
House of Windsor (1910-Present)
Was actually a part of the House of Wettin. Also I think their royal majesties changed the name of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor during WWI (not 1910), even though Wilhelm and George V were cousins.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 8:57 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah but they lost to a few colonists in what would end up becoming the most powerful country in the world within the next century or so.
That’s gotta take away from that.
The Brits were never big into fielding a big army until WWI-they were always a yuge sea power, which helped them gain huge resources from connecting profitable lands together, so long as they could be pacified with relatively few resources.
Before WWI they never really got into very big land battles, even in Napoleonic times. Their biggest coup however was holding onto India even post WWII.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:00 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
House of Normandy. Just because my ancestors came over to the British isles with them.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:00 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
House of King Ralph
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:06 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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House of Mercia (747-796)
House of Wessex (802-1016, 1042-1066)
House of Denmark (1016-1042)
House of Normandy (1066-1135)
House of Blois (1135-1154)
House of Angevin (1154-1216)
House of Plantagenet (1216-1399)
House of Lancaster (1399-1461)
House of York (1461-1485)
House of Tudor (1485-1603)
House of Stuart (1603-1649, 1660-1688, 1702-1714)
Commonwealth (1649-1659)
House of Hanover (1714-1901)
House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (1901-1910)
House of Windsor (1910-Present)
1) Anjou/Plantagenet/Lancaster/York are all more or less the same house. There was no change between Anjou/Plantagenet. Modern historians changed the name much later on to distinguish between the periods before and after John lost all the French lands. Lancaster and York were cadet branches of the same family that fought each other for control. But they were basically cousins. From that perspective, the House of Anjou ruled from 1154 (Henry II) to 1485 (Richard III). That's more than 300 years of continuous family rule (with a few family feuds along the way).
2) The House of Windsor is the House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, which is basically an old Saxon house of the Holy Roman Empire (a cadet branch of the House of Wettin). The British monarchs changed the name to sound less German after WWI. This family also had the monarchies of Belgium, Portugal, and Greece at one point.
It is also worth noting that, upon the death of Queen Elizabeth II, we would get a new house according to European customs. Prince Charles' father, Prince Philip, is technically a member of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg, which is a Danish-German house of the old Holy Roman Empire. Therefore, the British crown -- technically speaking -- passes back to the Danish when Elizabeth dies.
"Windsor" will continue to be the name, though.
Anyways, with those clarifications in mind, I would rank them:
(1) Anjou/Plantagenet/Lancaster/York: Ruled for 300 years and rivaled any kingdom in Europe
(2) Hanover: Built on the Stuarts success at colonization to create the world's first truly global empire.
Overrated houses include:
1) The Normans: They came, they conquered, they died after three kings.
2) The Tudors: More chaos than accomplishment, honestly. They started a religious war that lasted for about 200 years after Henry VIII. Elizabeth I was a great monarch, true, but one great monarch does not make a great dynasty.
Worst houses include:
1) Stuart: Not one but two monarchs deposed. WTF Stuarts.
2) "Windsor": They are just figureheads with no real power. Rich though, so don't cry any tears for them.
This post was edited on 4/2/18 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:29 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah but they lost to a few colonists in what would end up becoming the most powerful country in the world within the next century or so.
That’s gotta take away from that.
The US didn't become a global power until well after the Hanovers were gone. Losing the US was a setback to the British Empire, but it did not stop them from developing the largest and most powerful empire the world has ever known.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:29 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Strictly speaking, as I read the question as written (referring to the history of the U.K.) it could only have been a House in existence from January 1st 1801 going forward with the Act of Union.
What royal house was the best in the U.K. History?
The U.K. did not exist before 1 January 1801.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:30 pm to TxTiger82
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House of Angevin (1154-1216)
House of Plantagenet (1216-1399)
House of Lancaster (1399-1461)
House of York (1461-1485)
Angevin is usually treated as Plantagenet. Henry II Is the first Plantagenet king.
Anyway, I’d go with Plantagenet. This house had the best and worst. Henry II, Richard I, Edward I, Edward III. Of course it also had John and Richard II.
Worst, or at least most overrated: Tudor. Yes, definitely influential, but in a good way? Did they make life better for their people? Did they make England stronger? Henry VIII impoverished the government, destroyed centuries of religious tradition, destroyed the monasteries, and became a cruel monster. Mary is famous for burning people. Elizabeth is famous for simply lasting a long time and for fighting off the Armada, which was an invasion she herself needlessly provoked and was hampered as much by weather as by her navy. She was tight-fisted and treated her sailors like dogshit after the armada.
Posted on 4/2/18 at 9:35 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Tudors. But I love reading about Wessex through the Norman Conquest.
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