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re: What is the best kind of insurance to get for a 67 yr old male

Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:32 pm to
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:32 pm to
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You’re using the terms beneficiary and Owner interchangeably. If the Insured is the Owner, then he can name OP as the beneficiary, but without insurable interest, the OP can’t own the policy

You’re confusing owner with payor. The pay or can be anyone, the beneficiary can be just about anyone the insured (or owner if different) says. Like others have said, the beneficiary has to have an insurance interest but with final expense policies, a friend can sometimes be the beneficiary. It depends on the company - they each have their own rules. Some allow for a “Friend” to be the beneficiary and some don’t.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50806 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:33 pm to
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One of you best to fess being the phony insurance salesperson.

I believe he is also an agent but I just think people don’t understand that the underwriting and requirements for final expense policies are a bit more lenient than other life insurance policies.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:38 pm to

The prudent advice is for the ensured to make his policy payable to the family or funeral home directly, in the event this is his burial nest egg.

To the OP, depending on a 3-5 year medical history, critical/catastrophic illness is the best policy. Perhaps a term life but that's about as good as a burial award given his age and payout vs premium. But at his age, it's reduced and age banded. For anyone else reading, these policies are very cheap in your 40's. Well worth the time as men have a >50% CI rate these days. Much better than begging in a go fund me.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 5:46 pm to
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I KNEW an agent would jump on this! LOL


I would've, but Allstate is changing up L&R and it doesn't make sense at the moment to even try, and for me to write anything there would have to be an insurable interest which it doesn't sound like there is.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11789 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:49 pm to
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One of you best to fess being the phony insurance salesperson


We are both agents I have no doubt, but we have differing views based on the companies we represent
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11789 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:50 pm to
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I believe he is also an agent but I just think people don’t understand that the underwriting and requirements for final expense policies are a bit more lenient than other life insurance policies.


I sell final expense as well. Have gone through a lot of contestable periods lately with covid. We wouldn’t be able to write this risk.
Posted by jimlsu1
Ellicott City, Md
Member since Oct 2008
1626 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:26 pm to
Hey Chalkywhite. Spend your time on something that can cheer up your friend. You will not find what you are looking for insurance wise.
Posted by Tiger in the Sticks
Back in the Boot
Member since Jan 2007
1837 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:26 pm to
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You’re confusing owner with payor


Nope. The Owner is the party to the contract and must have an insurable interest. If you have anything that states otherwise, please post it. You can redact company info, etc.
The OP can be a Payor, or a beneficiary, but not the Owner if insurable interest doesn’t exist.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
13992 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:28 pm to
A good fitting pair of depends.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50806 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:32 pm to
I’m not arguing that at all. The OP says his friend is going to get a life insurance policy and he is going to be both payor and beneficiary. There is nothing wrong with that with many final expense insurers. At least not in the states I do business in.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:33 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26821 posts
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:20 pm to
Payer = beneficiary without an insurable interest doesnt raise any red flags?

Insurable interest doesnt have to be spouse or cosigned on debt. But there needs to be something.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27771 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:18 am to
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So find a local company and be honest? He thinks he has cancer but i think he will make 2 years. Can you explain the underwriting part and what i have to do


Find a local agent who isn’t with a named agency like State Farm. Captive agents can only sell products within the company’s product offering. Independent agents have a lot more tools in their belt to write different cases.

Does he have a cancer diagnosis or is he waiting on pending test results? If no to both of those, you should act quickly BEFORE something cancer related shows up on his medical records.

Underwriting means the insurance company will ask certain health related questions on the application, then once received, it will run medical history and prescription checks. Once done, the company will either offer a product, modify the benefit, or decline coverage altogether. He should not lie in underwriting, but he should only answer “yes” to questions for things he’s received a proper medical diagnosis for, not things he thinks he might have.

Even with health conditions, finding immediate coverage isn’t impossible, but it becomes more difficult — it just depends on the diagnosis, medications prescribed, and what kind of doctor writes the script.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
27771 posts
Posted on 4/16/21 at 8:26 am to
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He’s trying to help you out? Are you suggesting he’s letting you buy life insurance on him because he knows he’s going to die and you’ll get a financial windfall from his death? That’s not how this works bud. Don’t commit insurance fraud.

This is not insurance fraud, btw. Life carriers give quite a bit of leeway for beneficiaries. As long as he doesn’t lie on the app, the carrier will pay the benefit to the beneficiary. Most carriers ask for the relationship of the beneficiary to the insured up front on the app and for beneficiary changes. I never had issues writing policies that had a friend as beneficiary.
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