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re: What happens when we die?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:40 pm to DanMullins4Life
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:40 pm to DanMullins4Life
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He argues for the existence of the Christian God based off of an argument for general theism
No...he argues for theism based off of his argument for deism (generic Prime Mover) essentially. He then makes the leap to the Christian form of God.
He goes Prime Mover to Deism...then simple assumes Theism and that's automatically the Christian God.
It's quite the parlor trick, and if you're not paying attention seems like it makes sense.
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Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:46 pm to ctiger69
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You are all in this thread. But you don't believe in Jesus right?
Your point?
If it's that my not believing in the divinity of Jesus means I ought not have an opinion on the topic, then might I point you to this little video that shows how absurd that idea is.
LINK
It's not as simple as just ignoring beliefs in others I find incorrect. As soon as those ideas stop effecting my life directly, I'll never engage them again. Until then, batter up.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:47 pm to rbWarEagle
Actually. I fully intend to party when dead.
I have given serious instructions to my wife:
1. My Funeral is to be called "my going away party"
2. I am to be buried in my underwear and a T-shirt because thats how I sleep. I'll be frigged if Im going into eternity wearing a suit. frick that. My wife has suggested I get buried the same way I came in... nekkid. I said I would only do that if I could have open casket with the bottom half open. Rigor mortis has to be good for something.
3. At the Going away party there will be food and booze. I have had a couple relatives who did that and inevitably the corpse is over in the corner and the party food and booze are on the other side of the room. frick that. I am going to be laid out in the coffin (otherwise known as the party box), in the middle of the room and the buffet will be set out around me. Bar at the foot of the coffin.
4. I will be buried with a bottle of Evan Williams bourbon and the Auburn Fight song WILL be played as they lower the party box into the ground.
Thats how you do that.
I have given serious instructions to my wife:
1. My Funeral is to be called "my going away party"
2. I am to be buried in my underwear and a T-shirt because thats how I sleep. I'll be frigged if Im going into eternity wearing a suit. frick that. My wife has suggested I get buried the same way I came in... nekkid. I said I would only do that if I could have open casket with the bottom half open. Rigor mortis has to be good for something.
3. At the Going away party there will be food and booze. I have had a couple relatives who did that and inevitably the corpse is over in the corner and the party food and booze are on the other side of the room. frick that. I am going to be laid out in the coffin (otherwise known as the party box), in the middle of the room and the buffet will be set out around me. Bar at the foot of the coffin.
4. I will be buried with a bottle of Evan Williams bourbon and the Auburn Fight song WILL be played as they lower the party box into the ground.
Thats how you do that.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:50 pm to rbWarEagle
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You're really trying your best to frick up this thread, aren't you?
Agreed...my apologies for taking his bait. I know better, and still can't resist.
This has been a solid thread...
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:52 pm to Pavoloco83
You sound like my type of guy.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:53 pm to Heathens
I have absolutely no reason to think that after you die is any different than before you were born.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:57 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Has anyone answered, "Your children fight over your wealth"?
If not, that is my answer. Provided you lived halfway correctly.
If not, that is my answer. Provided you lived halfway correctly.
This post was edited on 8/31/16 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 8/31/16 at 1:58 pm to Heathens
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he had no reason to create humanity but he did.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:00 pm to Heathens
It takes more courage to truly believe in God and proselytize than to not believe in God.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:02 pm to mizzoukills
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It takes more courage to truly believe in God and proselytize than to not believe in God.
It takes absolutely ZERO courage. If you truly believe, that is.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:05 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I keep seeing this brought up in the thread, but as I asked earlier how do you know we would even have the capacity to remember death or nothingness before life?
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:09 pm to mizzoukills
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It takes more courage to truly believe in God and proselytize than to not believe in God.
First...in a world that is almost entirely religious, this is an absurd statement, even for you.
Second...don't frick up this thread with that kind of stuff. the OP specifically did not ask for that, and most everyone has played along.
You see...this is why we can't have nice things!
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:11 pm to Heathens
Excellent topic and there has been some great discussions in this thread.
As most thinking individuals throughout history have, I've considered these questions from time to time. I have no specialty in either science or religion but my current thinking goes something like this:
I kind of think of break the question down into its cosmic aspects and its human/earth aspects.
From a cosmic aspect, it has always seemed to me that it would be impossible for anything to come into being out of nothing. How could that possibly happen. If at some point if there was nothing how could something just appear? And neither things like the big bang nor things like God could answer this question as far as my understanding.
And yet, things clearly do exist. I'm sitting at a desk typing. I just finished eating an orange. These things exist. So how we got from point A - nothingness to point B - the world as my senses perceive it - is beyond my comprehension.
Not to mention that there seem to be so many theories out there - string theory, bubble universes, etc. they just blow my mind and none, including those put forward by science and religion, seem any more logical than the others.
Whew - that's enough for one post. Will hit my humans/earth thoughts in another one.
As most thinking individuals throughout history have, I've considered these questions from time to time. I have no specialty in either science or religion but my current thinking goes something like this:
I kind of think of break the question down into its cosmic aspects and its human/earth aspects.
From a cosmic aspect, it has always seemed to me that it would be impossible for anything to come into being out of nothing. How could that possibly happen. If at some point if there was nothing how could something just appear? And neither things like the big bang nor things like God could answer this question as far as my understanding.
And yet, things clearly do exist. I'm sitting at a desk typing. I just finished eating an orange. These things exist. So how we got from point A - nothingness to point B - the world as my senses perceive it - is beyond my comprehension.
Not to mention that there seem to be so many theories out there - string theory, bubble universes, etc. they just blow my mind and none, including those put forward by science and religion, seem any more logical than the others.
Whew - that's enough for one post. Will hit my humans/earth thoughts in another one.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:14 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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First...in a world that is almost entirely religious, this is an absurd statement, even for you. Second...don't frick up this thread with that kind of stuff. the OP specifically did not ask for that, and most everyone has played along. You see...this is why we can't have nice things!
The OP literally posted that he believes in God...which makes the subject appropriate for discussion.
And I'm right...it take more courage to truly believe in God and live by God than not.
Fwiw, I believe most Christians don't truly believe in or live by God. They say they do. They may even somewhat think they do. But in reality they don't.
Very few people on Earth truly believe in and live by God. Very few. And they are truly courageous people.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:15 pm to Pavoloco83
I'm sorry to disappoint but rigor mortis will not enhance your package. You will be leaving the party with the same penis you brought to it. Other than that, I support your type of funeral.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:16 pm to Heathens
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I keep seeing this brought up in the thread, but as I asked earlier how do you know we would even have the capacity to remember death or nothingness before life?
Not exactly sure what you mean by this question, but I'll take a stab at answering it.
What I mean by that when I say similar things is that there was a time in history when we did not exist. While the universe might have already contained the atoms that would one day come together to form us, our individual body, mind, etc did not.
And then we did...and still do if we're taking part in this discussion.
But, one day we will die. And, those atoms that once were other things will break their bonds that currently form us and float away to become others things once more.
When that happens, there's no reason to believe that what was "us" when we existed will still be there when it all goes away. In essence, we will return to not existing...just like we were for most of the universe's existence.
Again...as a nonbeliever...the hope that we will continue on feels like nothing more than wishful thinking in the face of no evidence that we will. I get it...I really do. In my weaker moments I might even say that I'd wish for it to be true...to not have to stop, to keep going longer. But in the end, I truly have no reason to think that it won;t just end simply one day and my consciousness will evaporate.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:19 pm to mizzoukills
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The OP literally posted that he believes in God...which makes the subject appropriate for discussion.
Second post on page 11...written by the OP:
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That's not what this thread is about, the only reason this thread has lasted so long is because it hasn't become a pissing match over religion. If he doesn't believe then that's his belief and like I said should be respected. Just because he doesn't believe in God doesn't mean he can't have his own thoughts in what happens after the great journey.
Now quit fricking up his thread.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:19 pm to Heathens
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how do you know we would even have the capacity to remember death or nothingness before life?
??
This question is confusing. I was saying that I have no memory of life before birth (or nothingness) I would assume that death would be the same.
Nothingness.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:21 pm to mizzoukills
What you're really saying is that very few people live by YOUR opinion of God and your beliefs about God. There are no facts in these matters. It is all squabble and hearsay.
Plenty of people have their own beliefs and their own thoughts about God and mortality. They live by their own moral compass. And that's just fine.
Plenty of people have their own beliefs and their own thoughts about God and mortality. They live by their own moral compass. And that's just fine.
Posted on 8/31/16 at 2:24 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Second post on page 11...written by the OP:
Ahhhh...so it took the OP 11 pages to bitch about religious discussions in a thread in which not only does he proclaim his belief in God in the OP but 11 pages later he continues to mention God.
Hmmmm...makes sense.
FWIW...I haven't read the entire thread yet so I hadn't made it to page eleven. Quit being a dick.
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