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re: What ever happened to hydrogen powered cars?

Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:26 pm to
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:26 pm to
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Our electric grid may not be suitable for full-scale EV adoption yet but it’s way closer than any hydrogen equivalent.

Also consider that it's not just deploying a bunch of consumption devices. It's a shite load of storage that can be interconnected and deployed through virtual power plant programs. Thats a net positive for society. Hydrogen could get there, but we're a long way from anything like that where battery storage is there already.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 6:27 pm
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:26 pm to
If China owned the majority of the World’s hydrogen supply like they do lithium then our politicians would get paid to mandate the move to hydrogen.

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:27 pm to
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If China owned the majority of the World’s hydrogen supply like they do lithium then our politicians would get paid to mandate the move to hydrogen.

That would be Chile who has the most lithium reserves. Followed by Australia.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15270 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:41 pm to
China does not have a stranglehold on the world’s hydrogen supply.

That’s your answer.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:14 pm to
Plug Power, and several other companies, are working furiously to develop the hydrogen plants to supply Amazon and other big fleets with fuel cells. We are working on about 10 of these plants currently, although we are bailing out of a few of them due to possible client insolvency.

It’s going to take years to get there, but if we want to replace hydrocarbon ICE vehicles then this might be the way to go. It will cost a butt load of money, though.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
5539 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:58 pm to
Lots of hurdles already mentioned here.

One of the largest obstacles is that it takes more energy to create or produce H than what is the end product.
There is a net-loss of energy in the production of H.


They have to separate the hydrogen atom from the oxygen atoms, which takes a lot of energy.

Look up covalent bonds, especially of H2O.

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Covalent bonds occur when two atoms—in this case oxygen and hydrogen—share electrons with each other. Because oxygen and hydrogen attract the shared electrons unequally, each end of the V-shaped H2O molecule adopts a slightly different charge.


If and when, H can be produced efficiently and economically, it could be a huge power source.

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18017 posts
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:06 pm to
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If and when, H can be produced efficiently and economically, it could be a huge power source.

And then you get to deal with the transportability of it. Which is huge. Gaucho’s welds would never pass a hydrogen test.
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