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re: What Big Pharma (and theFDA) dont want you to know about Opioid Epidemic
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:23 pm to CptRusty
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:23 pm to CptRusty
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Bernie Bro. Fact
Post of profile of who you think I am, and I'll honestly reply to each and 3 very item, but you are wrong on this first one.
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:24 pm to PerCuriam
There are several factors that have contributed to the rise in pain med addictions and overdose deaths. I don't think you can really place all the blame on one thing really. Doctors and medical professionals being pushed to make sure they are adequately treating pain in patients. Patients looking at healthcare the same way they look at going to any other business in regards to customer service ("the customer is always right" mentality). Doctors being mislead by pharm companies on how addictive some meds are. And on and on.
Point is...this is a huge problem and one that isn't gonna go away by just saying "suck it up and stop being a junkie".
LINK
I posted that yesterday in other thread...and while humerous...it also illustrates what doctors deal with regarding people pain seeking. From the guy who made that video...
Instead of placing such a negative stigma on addiction, we need to look at it like we would for any other medical condition. Something that needs appropriate treatment for. How many lives could be saved if people struggling with these addictions felt more comfortable coming forward with them and could seek treatment?
Point is...this is a huge problem and one that isn't gonna go away by just saying "suck it up and stop being a junkie".
LINK
I posted that yesterday in other thread...and while humerous...it also illustrates what doctors deal with regarding people pain seeking. From the guy who made that video...
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Finally, with regards to narcotic addiction, prescription drug abuse, and drug seekers in general, remember: don't hate the player, hate the game. It's the disease of addiction we need to fight, not the person who is suffering.
Instead of placing such a negative stigma on addiction, we need to look at it like we would for any other medical condition. Something that needs appropriate treatment for. How many lives could be saved if people struggling with these addictions felt more comfortable coming forward with them and could seek treatment?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:24 pm to More beer please
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You dont agree with his statement?
No, not in the slightest. And considering I've worked with, or managed, surgonc, surgeons, GI's, general practitioners, and endocrinologist for the past 11 years, and I can count on 2 hands how many times I've seen oxy prescribed (all cancer patients), I feel pretty comfortable with my belief that "handed out like candy by doctors for the most benign conditions" is ignorant at best.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:25 pm to ULSU
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:25 pm to lsunurse
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lsunurse
We condemned big tobacco for making nicotine addicts, but we're supposed to give you people a pass?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:25 pm to CptRusty
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On the contrary, I not trying to "solve" anything, I am pointing out that the blame is misplaced. If you want to solve a problem, you had better be sure what the problem is.
If your want to take the objectivism view and state that there is no problem, then go for it. That's your option.
A lot of people may disagree with you and try to find a way to improve the situation. Don't try to act like you're helping.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:27 pm to CptRusty
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On the contrary, I not trying to "solve" anything, I am pointing out that the blame is misplaced. If you want to solve a problem, you had better be sure what the problem is
Why were opioid overdose deaths half of what they are now compared to 2000 when these drugs started flooding the market then? There are many facets to this.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:28 pm to LucasP
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objectivism view and state that there is no problem, then go for it.
you are again confused. I never stated there isn't a problem, I said the problem is with the people who take it upon themselves to exceed their prescribed medication, and further that the only reason it's getting press is because Prince OD'd.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:28 pm to Kujo
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We condemned big tobacco for making nicotine addicts
Who is we?
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but we're supposed to give you people a pass?
What do you mean "you people"?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:29 pm to MSMHater
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Where is oxy marketed, and to whom?
It is marketed to doctors, and the ads all through the 90s touted how it was not addictive. You don't ever see ads on TV for prescription pharmaceuticals (Lipitor comes to mind first).
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:29 pm to ULSU
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Why were opioid overdose deaths half of what they are now compared to 2000 when these drugs started flooding the market then?
why were automobile deaths non existent prior to the early 1900's?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:29 pm to MSMHater
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No, not in the slightest. And considering I've worked with, or managed, oncologists, surgeons, GI's, general practitioners, and endocrinologist for the past 11 years, and I can count on 2 hands how many times I've seen oxy prescribed (all cancer patients)
Yeah, I've had three major surgeries in the past two years and it was one bottle of percs, no refills, every time. Damn junkies ruined it for the rest of us.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:30 pm to Kujo
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We condemned big tobacco for making nicotine addicts, but we're supposed to give you people a pass?
First of all, she is a nurse, why would she be looking for a "pass"? Second, I think you are missing her point.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:31 pm to CptRusty
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further that the only reason it's getting press is because Prince OD'd.
This just shows that you have not been following media, because they have been shoving this shite down our throats for years, just like the doctors and the oxy.
NBC
Opiate addiction: How prescription painkillers pave the way to heroin
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Thursday Jun 7, 2012 4:11 AM
Here is a timeline of stories with only one after Prince's death.
LINK
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:32 pm to CptRusty
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Apparently you are the one who is confused. When people point out that you are directing your 'problem solving' energy in the wrong place, they are not suggesting that simply identifying the problem is the solution, they (we) are trying to redirect your focus to where the actual problem is so that it may be solved.
If we can't agree what the problem is, we will hardly be able to agree on a solution.
Now we might find some common ground. I think that we can both agree that shitty parents make shitty schools, correct?
So where should we focus or efforts? CPS? Deincentivize multiple children for poor families? How do you make parents be less shitty?
Do you have any ideas? Or is it simply enough to say "I blame the parents?"
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:32 pm to MSMHater
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No, not in the slightest. And considering I've worked with, or managed, oncologists, surgeons, GI's, general practitioners, and endocrinologist for the past 11 years, and I can count on 2 hands how many times I've seen oxy prescribed (all cancer patients), I feel pretty comfortable with my belief that "handed out like candy by doctors for the most benign conditions" is ignorant at best.
And I, working in the insurance industry and know many who do, have seen the exact opposite.
Doctors dispensing out of their own clinics, "compound creams" pricing for 1-2k, consistent 90 pill oxy fills for patients that have been treating for years, claimants testing positive for opiates after being taken off the drugs because they got addicted, claimants jumping from ER to ER just to get prescription fills.
When you arent the one paying for it and watching these people intake gobs of pills, yeah Im sure it is easy to act like it isnt happeneing.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:32 pm to link
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yea great idea and then deaths from cannabis will skyrocket. just a half of six dozen in the other.
What deaths from cannabis are you referring to? Care to tell me of an incident where someone overdosed on cannabis?
Every 19 minutes someone dies from an overdose of opioids in the country.
Cannabis is also far less addictive than opioids, heroin, nicotine, cocaine, and alcohol.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:33 pm to dbeck
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So the people you know that didn't struggle with addiction never got addicted? Shocking.
I'm not sure you actually know what addiction is. I've seen both sides I can promise you. Direct that shite somewhere else
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:34 pm to CptRusty
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and further that the only reason it's getting press is because Prince OD'd.
Goddammit, I really thought this was going somewhere interesting. We were gonna find common ground, and both be better off for it!!!
But then you write some ignorant, misinformed shite like this and I can't take you seriously.
Have a good rest of the day, and maybe grab a news article online occasionally.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:35 pm to LucasP
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So where should we focus or efforts? CPS? Deincentivize multiple children for poor families? How do you make parents be less shitty?
You simply accept that it is not government's (or anyone's) job to "fix" human nature. Some people are lazy and shitty. Nothing will change that.
There is no solution, or at least none that I am aware of, but I certainly will not stand by and remain silent if the "solution" proposed by others involves the government throwing taxpayer money at the problem.
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