re: What are your thoughts on people who commit suicide?

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That's fricking terrible. None should ever feel that way, but especially children that young. I mean their whole lives are ahead of them, and they get caught up in some meaningless shite that drags them down. That sucks.

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Amen. That is so sad.

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Nah, I just understand that my life isn't all about me.

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But the act is not entirely individualistic. Selfish, sure. But I don't think it ever happens in isolation.

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It can be a real curse to care more about the people around you than you do yourself.

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That's called life. It's how the world is supposed to work.

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It's probably the most selfish act a human can perform. It crushes those you leave behind. I have no sympathy for people who do it.

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People who say this are quick to change their tune when it's their kid, wife, sibling, or parent that commits suicide.

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Well luckily I don't know what it's like to have any of these parties around me commit suicide. I do know families that have gone through it, most recently a father who did it, leaving a very loving wife and 2 young children who are undoubtedly scarred for life because he couldn't handle it. It IS selfish and they've all gone through years of therapy because of it. These children have essentially grown to hate him and his memory because of what he did to them. It was probably THE most selfish thing this guy could have possibly done to them. I won't change my tune to that, and I doubt the family he abandoned will either.

You cannot commit suicide without being selfish. It's completely part of the equation. There is scores of damage that suicide inflicts throughout a family. It all ends for the victim but for those who are left, it's just the beginning of a lifetime of pain. How is that not the embodiment of selfishness?

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So, so stupid.

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One of the dumbest posters on this site for sure. And that's saying something.

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Suicide can certainly be viewed as a selfish act by those left behind. But isn't it just as selfish to expect a person to continue living in pain, just so you aren't inconvenieced by their death?

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First of all, I'm sorry for your loss. But there is no "inconvenience" of death which would precipitate the need for suicide in any case. Whatever reason that person thinks they have to end their life early takes them away from people who love them prematurely. I think that is selfish. There is simply more value to life in virtually every case.

Not sure if anyone has posted the David Foster Wallace quote about suicide but I always enjoy reading it.

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“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.”
? David Foster Wallace

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This is why people say if you commit suicide you go to hell.

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That's because the majority of people are idiots who have no critical thinking skills or any inkling of what it means to think for yourself. This includes the overwhelming majority of religious types who are easily led by others anyway.

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.pulled the trigger every 20-30 min for an hour

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After that 2nd *CLICK*, the odds go up tremendously.

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Reminds me of that scene in the Deer Hunter with Christopher Walken and Robert Deniro. The mental anguish of someone in that state has to be awful.

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But the fact is they are gone and nothing is going to phase them.

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But acting like they are brave or some such stupid shite surely emboldens the next person thinking about it.