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re: What are examples of “institutionalized racism” ?
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:40 pm to Buryl
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:40 pm to Buryl
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completely agree that race isn't the only, or even necessarily the primary motivating factor. But overall I think it played a role in the situation.
There are 2 separate situations.
1) race played a factor in the murder of Arbery. 2 bigots harrassed and shot an unarmed black man.
2) race didnt play a factor in the incompetence of Glynn County DA and neighboring county DA. This one would be required for it to be an example if institutionalized racism. But that incompetence has been on display for decades in Glynn County. Do you have evidence of racial motivations by the DA? Because I have evidence of corruption and misconduct
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:43 pm to Armytiger87
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:43 pm to HighDesert43
Isn't it racist to assume the black kid is poor though? And "Jamal?" Highly problematic and stereotypical name choice.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:47 pm to Buryl
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Nigerians thrive primarily because
1) They tend to be highly educated; 4% have PhDs, 29% have grad degrees, compared to 1% and 11% of the total US population. They are the most highly educated ethnic group in America.
2) Most arrived in the 1980s, after the heavy lifting of the civil rights era was passed;
3) The ones who came were often on scholarships and represented the best and brightest of Nigeria;
4) Social aspects; they came from strong backgrounds and solid traditions;
5) They didn't experience the cultural disenfranchisement that the former slaves did.
Absolutely none of that supports your argument.
Posted on 6/28/20 at 11:52 pm to Armytiger87
I worked for a guy that owned several apartment complexes while I was in college. He would find the most vague minuscule thing to not rent to black students, and often bragged about it afterwards. I don’t know how prevalent that line of thinking is but it exists.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:01 am to biglego
Or they are able to overcome it...
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:06 am to Buryl
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Or they are able to overcome it...
What is more institutional?
Being told that standardized testing is racist? Being told that you need affirmative action to go to college? Being told that police officers want to kill you? Being told that racial quotas will get you the job you want?
Or coming from a foreign country with none of that baggage and doing better in this country with less (less wealth, language barrier, less contacts/organizational assistance).
Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:47 am to Armytiger87
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What are examples of “institutionalized racism” ?
BLM
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:40 am to OleWar
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It really doesn't provide you with all the information you need. It gives an explanation of how segregation was maintained in cities outside the South (which I will give it credit for), stops in the 1960s and then doesn't adequately explain what happened after that and then just concludes that the de facto segregation in cities is solely a result of those policies.
You clearly didn’t read the book. There’s a whole section on the 08 housing crash and how banks used subprime mortgages on black and Latino borrowers that would’ve qualified for other mortgages. It was done in such great numbers that federal regulators should’ve caught it but they ignored it. There’s also whole sections on housing policies of the 70’s and 80’s.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:45 am to noonan
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They didn't experience the cultural disenfranchisement that the former slaves did.
What does this even mean?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:50 am to Armytiger87
I only hire people who are capable of doing the job at hand.
I hire the most qualified person!!
Is that racist???
I hire the most qualified person!!
Is that racist???
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:55 am to Armytiger87
Study show that for job interviews white names are 50% more likely to be called back than black sounding names. Study
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:55 am to Buryl
quote:
Nigerians thrive primarily because
1) They tend to be highly educated; 4% have PhDs, 29% have grad degrees, compared to 1% and 11% of the total US population. They are the most highly educated ethnic group in America.
2) Most arrived in the 1980s, after the heavy lifting of the civil rights era was passed;
3) The ones who came were often on scholarships and represented the best and brightest of Nigeria;
4) Social aspects; they came from strong backgrounds and solid traditions;
5) They didn't experience the cultural disenfranchisement that the former slaves did.
I'm sure there's more....
I'm not caught up with this thread, so forgive me if I missed something. Are you saying this in support of a position that there is systemic racism? Or just saying the case Nigerian-Americans doesn't show there isn't? The latter I can accept.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:58 am to Armytiger87
There are several concrete studies.
Black defendants with similar crimes versus their white counterparts get harsher sentences and bails Even when prior arrests and convictions and Socio-economic status are controlled.
Physicians spend less time with black patients.
The initial quotes when buying a car are higher for Black people.
One small example is the AP photo of a black person after Hurricane Katrina shown as “looting“. A very similar photo of a white couple said they “found” groceries. Lol
When shopping where sales people are, Black people wait a longer time before a sales person approaches them.
Then there’s the resume study which is pretty telling. Resumes with the same education, background, and work history were sent out. The only difference what is traditional black names versus traditional white names. You know who got more callbacks. And please don’t hit me back with the resume study that was posted on here. They changed only the last names the names such as jones, Thompson and Williams for Black people and Smith etc for white people. The first names were the same. Lol
These are all studies, not surveys. There are several others that are out there.
Black defendants with similar crimes versus their white counterparts get harsher sentences and bails Even when prior arrests and convictions and Socio-economic status are controlled.
Physicians spend less time with black patients.
The initial quotes when buying a car are higher for Black people.
One small example is the AP photo of a black person after Hurricane Katrina shown as “looting“. A very similar photo of a white couple said they “found” groceries. Lol
When shopping where sales people are, Black people wait a longer time before a sales person approaches them.
Then there’s the resume study which is pretty telling. Resumes with the same education, background, and work history were sent out. The only difference what is traditional black names versus traditional white names. You know who got more callbacks. And please don’t hit me back with the resume study that was posted on here. They changed only the last names the names such as jones, Thompson and Williams for Black people and Smith etc for white people. The first names were the same. Lol
These are all studies, not surveys. There are several others that are out there.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 6:59 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 6:59 am to Rust Cohle
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Study show that for job interviews white names are 50% more likely to be called back than black sounding names.
Yeah, it’s weird that Yer’Majesty Johnson doesn’t get the same response as Mike Smith. Maybe it’s a race thing, but I think it has more to do with a perception of the culture that the person comes from.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:01 am to cwil177
quote:thread asks for examples. Examples are provided, the response is “well yeah, that form of discrimination is cool”
Yeah, it’s weird that Yer’Majesty Johnson doesn’t get the same response as Mike Smith. Maybe it’s a race thing, but I think it has more to do with a perception of the culture that the person comes from.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:01 am to ItalianIceMaker
What is your point????
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:03 am to ItalianIceMaker
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You paid trolls must be getting a fair chunk o change per post. I guess you have a lot of sites to hit.
Your "stats" are garbage, cherry picked and reductionist. Also, most have nothing to do with a "system" that can/should be changed by law.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:11 am to Armytiger87
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Well, this is factually untrue. The Federal Government sues banks that are even suspected of racially discriminatory lending. Lending large amounts of money in mortgages to people that ostensibly had no ability to pay it back (or, even intend to pay it back) was the main contributing factor to the 2008 recession.
Yep. You had the government forcing banks to loan people money that the banks knew couldn’t or wouldn’t pay back. As if the banks were intentionally not loaning money to certain people or certain areas for one reason or another.
Loans are an asset on a bank’s balance sheet and loaning money is how they make money. If the banks thought loaning money to these people/areas was a good investment they would have done so regardless of the color of anyone’s skin. Banks care about one color, green, as it should be.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 7:32 am to RDRGeaux09
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There’s a whole section on the 08 housing crash and how banks used subprime mortgages on black and Latino borrowers that would’ve qualified for other mortgages. It was done in such great numbers that federal regulators should’ve caught it but they ignored it.
Did the book mention that black run mortgage shops and black loan originators were selling the subprime loans more often to blacks than white loan officers?
Because that was the actual finding and a big reason why no action was taken.
Subprime lenders did not originate the loans. They underwrote and issued them. It was local retail facilities who reviewed the borrowers application and placed the borrower with a lender.
Again, the idea that there was anything institutionalized is false.
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