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re: Watch People: is this Rolex worth the price?

Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:00 am to
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:00 am to
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I really, really want to get my hands on a MoonSwatch at MSRP. That's about all I have to add to a watch thread right now.


according to the watch geeks, the replicas are better quality than the shitty ones swatch/omega are putting out and you can buy the entire line for less than a single gen.

LINK

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:05 am to
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The most expensive watch i own is an “homage” watch to the Omega Speedy Pro called the Bulova Lunar Pilot,


Not an homage. It's a modern version of a Bulova prototype worn by Dave Scott on Apollo 15. So it's a legitimate moon watch in its own right.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
3409 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 11:32 am to
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I really, really want to get my hands on a MoonSwatch at MSRP. That's about all I have to add to a watch thread right now.


Picked up three earlier this summer one in Paris and two in Lyon. One son opted for Mission Earth, the other for Mission Jupiter and I went for Mission Moon. I've already changed the strap to a Marine Nationale strap which kicks it up a notch. With the VAT refund came to around 220 EUR each.

I'm a watch guy and have a nice collection, but don't own a Speedy. This is a fun little piece to play around with. Been wearing it a good bit since I got back.


Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:45 pm to
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on a watech has ZERO to do with my political leanings


That was an attempt at sarcasm at the expense of certain factions of the forum that make everything political.

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The most expensive watch i own is an “homage” watch to the Omega Speedy Pro called the Bulova Lunar Pilot


I hate the word homage as it is too often used today to describe a 1:1 Chinese knockoff of a watch with just the name changed. I expect your use of it was a little self-deprecating regarding the much cheaper than a Speedy Pro Lunar Pilot. I think that is unfair to you and the Bulova. The Bulova stands on its own because it was an unexpected Moon Watch. Dave Scott carried his Bulova in his "personal effects" weight allotment and used the watch during Apollo 15 when the crystal popped off his issued Speedy. The Lunar Pilot is a reproduction of that watch. The Bulova looks very similar to the Speedy not because they copied the Speedy but because Bulova entered the watch into the NASA competition to choose the watch for the space program which Omega finally won. The NASA criteria was specific enough that all the watches entered looks fairly similar at a quick glance. This is a similar story to the modern dive watch while everyone is trying to figure out who copied who (mainly within Blanpain, Rolex and Zodiac) the reality is a French frogman came up with the requirements for a dive watch for the Marine Nationale companies that competed for the contract or used the criteria in development made watches that looked similar and the criteria was well thought out since to this day most dive watches look very similar.


Scott's Bulova



Modern version

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:54 pm to
In other news Omega rolled out several new Seamaster models today LINK
Posted by Lokistale
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:58 pm to
It's not the price, but the investment. Rolex keep and often increase their value on the re-sale market. So, if you have a chunk of money to burn, buy a Rolex knowing that you can always get that chunk of $$ back if you need.

However, the upkeep of the watch is not cheap. They recommend servicing a Rolex every 5-8 years (changing the seals, oiling the gears... etc.) at an authorized Rolex dealer which will cost $500 to $700 per tune-up.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:00 pm to
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In other news Omega rolled out several new Seamaster models today


In other words a day ending in Y.

Some people see all the Speedy and SM models as dilution I personally don't. The more choice the better.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:13 pm to
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You are the one calling people you don’t know out for being “broke” for not making a terrible investment


Link?

If you read the thread I have been very careful about calling watches a good investment. There are a certain number of watches that historically would have been good investments. Past performance does not... yada yada. Most consumer goods especially ones used every day tend to see heavy depreciation there are a certain number of watches (most Rolex fit into this category) that tend not to depreciate and often appreciate. If you buy a Rolex and get tired of it you can usually sell it quickly and get your money back and maybe make some if you get tired of your house upgrades tomorrow you can't just sell them and get your money back without selling the home. A smart person doesn't upgrade the home they plan to live in as an investment they do it to bring more happiness to their life and if they get their money back or make a little money in the long run by doing it that is lagniappe. It is the same with watches. Buy what you like and can afford and enjoy it, if you are split evenly between two watches get the one that retains more value historically it really isn't rocket science and it really shouldn't be controversial.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/27/23 at 2:05 pm to
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They recommend servicing a Rolex every 5-8 years


This is old. Interval now is 10 years. Not sure if that is due to the quality/makeup of the lubricants or change in quality of the seals they use now or subtle changes in movements (Obtuse1 will know the answer). I bought a GMT Master II 116710LN and Explorer and Explorer 214270 (thats the 39 mm version) in 2019 and both were recommended on 10 year sched. Now if you dive in salt water, I'd prob have a dependable watchmaker test waterproofness much more frequently, but that is not expensive.

My oldest ones 16610 sub date (34 years old) and 16710 Pepsi (24 years old) haven't been in at least 10 years and showing no signs of needing maintenance. I like sending to Rolex for the maintenance, specifically the Dallas Service Center which has a good rep and decent turn around - not to mention close enough to me to hand carry one in.
This post was edited on 6/28/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted by KennabraTiger
Kenner, LA
Member since Sep 2013
7676 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:49 pm to
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Figured you’d provide a bullshite address.


Book your plane ticket and come find out
Posted by G Khan
the basin
Member since Mar 2007
522 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:00 pm to
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Mine is actually the "Playtona" and I don't really like modern Dattonas. When they first came out they didn't sell and then they took off after they were discontinued and disappeared out of the displays. They sell at about 2x retail on the secondary market.


I have never handled a platinum Rolex. Rare birds for sure. I like the new SS Daytonas, but not enough to do what it takes to get one. Nothing Rolex is putting out puts me in "I have to have it" mode.

Wishing they would have put that new Ti Yachtmaster out as a no date like the prototype. Would have been all over that as it would look different enough from my SD for me to buy it. Wish they would bring back the 1655's design too. I would buy that one. Or remove all the script on the ringlock from the Deep Sea. Would be on that one too. THey need to hire me as a design consultant
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:27 pm to
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Not sure if that is due to the quality/makeup of the lubricants or change in quality of the seals they use now or subtle changes in movements


It comes down to three things:

1. the ubiquity of synthetic oils and while I can't put a date on that it is probably at least 15 years since they became "standard" in most new watches. They don't dry up and they tend to stay on the oiling points.

2. Better machining tolerances

3. Manufacturers didn't want to increase the service intervals because it is a profit center but when one manufacturer moves then their direct competition tends to move the same way. I have long said 7-8 years on pretty much any decent movement is usually fine. Some of the less expensive micro-brands and inexpensive "macros" like Seiko make a lot of watches you just wear until they die and if you want to keep them going just pop in a new movement. My watches see an unusual duty cycle in that each one only gets worn about 6 days a year. Once a year I put each one on my Timegrapher and record the readings and use that along with time to make a judgment when to service them. This method isn't foolproof but the money I save more than covers the occasional part that needs replacing because it has worn too much.


Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11193 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:29 pm to
No need to book a plane ticket. I’ll be there this weekend. You’re just a punk arse bitch who thinks it’s funny to pretend to be Kenner trash. It’s honestly pathetic. You gave the address to an abandoned church numb nuts
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:38 pm to
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THey need to hire me as a design consultant


Everyone on WUS and most other watch forums thinks this and 90% of them are right in a way. Most watch geeks can quickly identify issues other geeks will have with a watch but we often lose sight of the fact that watch geeks while being fairly constant consumers don't buy nearly a majority of watches, especially from companies like Rolex and Omega. I figure I know myself and my kind relatively well but have little clue about what the general watch-buying public wants, Rolex et al probably know this much better and that is the biggest part of their bottom line.


Posted by Hickok
Htown
Member since Jan 2013
2964 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:58 pm to
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Rolex et al probably know this much better and that is the biggest part of their bottom line.

What’s your thoughts on the GMT-II Sprite? I’m a lefty so I’m always interested in watches meant for the right hand.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:52 pm to
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What’s your thoughts on the GMT-II Sprite?


It is a GMT II so I love it, though I like the Pepsi and Batman color schemes better. I don't think much of the handedness of watches since for me crowns never dig in no matter what side they are on with my wrist. A "proper" handed watch can be useful on a manual wind so you can wind it without taking it off your wrist but I never do this for fear of messing up the stem, seals, or keyless works. Probably overly cautious. I do get the appeal of having a Destro if you are left-handed because in a way it feels more made for the 10%. I also am stuck on calling a Green Lantern, Sprite never did it for me.

You should get a vintage GMT 6542 Vintage Destro. I am not sure more than one has been accounted for and it sold from nearly $300k at auction about 5 years ago. It also has the (IMO) very cool roulette date wheel. This is why I really like the Black Bay Pelagos LHD, I have the original Pelagos with the ETA movement but if the LHD with its roulette date wheel had been available then I would have gotten it instead.

The 6542 Destro IIRC it was made in '59.


Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5061 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:21 pm to
All correct .

I just used the word ‘homage’ as shorthand (and i used it incorrectly) to avoid telling the whole story, but you summed it up nicely .. fun fact: the original Dave Scott watch you posted that pic of sold a few years ago at auction for around $1.5 million…. And, the Bulova is in fact the only “moon watch” ever owned by a private citizen, since all the Omega Speedy Pros were issued by the government .
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30041 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:35 pm to
Probably none has a Lunar Pilot that doesn't know what it is. It is a great watch and has some cool tech that is unique to Bulova. The use of homage is just so tortured today I wanted to make sure nobody say the Lunar Pilot in a negative way. It is too cool a watch for that to happen!

BTW do you have the newer 43.5mm or the older 45mm? Even the 45mm wears small, I was surprised when I saw the first one because the 45mm made me think it was going to be huge.
Posted by BoogalooCopperpot
In my own head
Member since Jan 2021
458 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:39 pm to
Negative
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5061 posts
Posted on 6/27/23 at 6:49 pm to
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BTW do you have the newer 43.5mm or the older 45mm? Even the 45mm wears small, I was surprised when I saw the first one because the 45mm made me think it was going to be huge.



I have the 45mm which i bought 5 or 6 years ago.. im a decent-sized guy with wrists to match, so i dont really mind the larger size & youre right , it doesnt wear so large.. and fwiw, the newer version you mentioned has the ‘retro’ (another overused word, ha) Bulova lettering to more closely match the original Dave Scott version .





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