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re: Was there still civil war resentment in the early 1900s

Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:00 pm to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:00 pm to
I used to work in a small grocery store in North Georgia as a teenager in the early seventies. Rarely did we get a hundred dollar bills in those days because prices were so much less but people didn't like $50s for change even then. They didn't want Grants.

Also we didn't get Memorial Day as a school holiday and still took Jefferson Davis's birthday when I was in elementary school. That changed in the seventies some time.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 8:05 pm
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:27 pm to
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Yep. Sorest losers in American history.



That moniker is truly being put to the test today which is really saying something.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:34 pm to
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pretty much the case with all wars...50 years later society looks back on them and realizes that they were really just schlong measuring contests driven by the egomaniacs that we tend to elect to political office.



Spoken by someone who's knowledge of history goes as far back as cable TV. WWI and WWII? Pissing contest, right? Revolutionary? Pissing contests right? No, dude, before television and throughout history people have fought for two reason land and religion. Someone was taking one or forcing another. The idea of political war comes from the media and frankly, its exactly what has politicized war. To get in office, the media chose to show the worst of Vietnam. Had we sat out of Vietnam, they then would've said the US is cold and heartless and taken the stance of we should enter Vietnam. It was a completely "Reactionary Stance" that has been transformed into a "Principled" Position for their political benefit.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102681 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:43 pm to
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the Daughters of the Confederacy were huge around that time and very politically active in spreading positive propaganda about the Confederates, trying to romanticize the confederacy as some noble cause. And they largely succeeded.


I’ve always said the politicians and big money plantation owners/businessmen who organized the war and funded it should be looked upon poorly. However, the citizens who fought the war should be honored as they were simply men who believed they were protecting their home and their state. State allegiance then was bigger than allegiance to the country.

Same with Nazi Germany. The vast majority of soldiers believed they were fighting to protect Germany from communists. Only the upper crust officers and politicians knew what was really occurring.
Posted by dwr353
Member since Oct 2007
2173 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:50 pm to
I remember reading that Gen Wheeler, while observing the charge up San Juan hill, apparently got lost in the moment. Watching the Spaniards get routed shouted out "give them Yankees hell" or something to that effect.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:53 pm to
To hell with you for even making that comparison.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:20 pm to
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I’ve always said the politicians and big money plantation owners/businessmen who organized the war and funded it should be looked upon poorly. However, the citizens who fought the war should be honored as they were simply men who believed they were protecting their home and their state. State allegiance then was bigger than allegiance to the country.

Same with Nazi Germany. The vast majority of soldiers believed they were fighting to protect Germany from communists. Only the upper crust officers and politicians knew what was really occurring.




Just when I thought this couldn't get more ignorant..
What you've said is the biggest lie history has ever put on surviving generations. I see why the Allies have perpetuated it bc you can't humanly kill remaining citizens or soldiers of a nation who tried to exterminate several races and take over the world but to let them off the hook like that by a person who has decades of evaluation and analysis to lean on is just fricking awful. If you think there was one German person in 1941 who did not know and yet willingly took part in that you should be ashamed of whoever gave you a degree of any level. If your neighbors to the right and left of you for the last 40 years mysteriously "left town" and coincidentally their homes and businesses were then occupied by "Aryans" then I truly feel sorry for your neighbors bc yall neighborhood watch program is shite..
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2863 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:42 pm to
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republicans couldn’t get elected in the south until the mid 1980s because of Lincoln being a republican

Eisenhower and Nixon did quite well in the South.
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5868 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:45 pm to
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Eisenhower and Nixon did quite well in the South.




You're either young or haven't lived here long. We had our first Rep Governor since Reconstruction in the 90's.
Posted by tigahbruh
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2014
2863 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:49 pm to
Im simply aware of factual electoral data.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33818 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:19 pm to
Saw lots of bumper stickers with this message, when I lived in Mississippi in the 60's.



A neighbor's dad had the bumper sticker and had grenades in a storeroom. He was a Civil Defense guy, and a klansman. Also had a "When guns are outlawed..." bumper sticker. He was woke to all of that stuff back then.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
16192 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:45 pm to
shite Vicksburg didn’t start celebrating Independence Day again until the U.S. got involved in WW2.
Posted by MSUDawg98
Bear the F Down
Member since Jan 2018
13869 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:07 am to
I grew up in Wisconsin, played football at Minnesota, then attended State and got my second degree from Indiana. My mom (grew up on a 19th century family farm to 100% German mom/100% Norwegian dad) freaked when I told her I was going to State. She still had the Jim Crow/Confederate association with Mississippi (frankly I can see why now that I learned that side of history...my main reason for the move.) She still thought the KKK ran things down there in the mid-90s. My dad was adopted (1952 half German/half Austrian but no clue beyond that because the adoption agency’s papers conveniently burnt to the ground shortly after.) On that grandma’s side my great great great grandpa was a civil war union vet. They didn’t blink an eye when I told them I was going to State.

Point being that you have to lump populations of both sides into the discussion. In my family it’s the civil war soldier connection where they were indifferent (though I remember my grandpa telling me how when he was training with the 101st parachute unit during WWII they would force any non-whites into the roads if they were on the sidewalk) and then you had the other side which went from Norway to the farm just before the war and never had a real connection to anything related until my young 1st cousin got as it was called “jungle fever”.

The night I checked into short term housing I was meant fairly rudely. I don’t know if it wa the midnight check-in or because (as I was told later) it was a daughter of the Klan that I got a sour reception. Two months later I took my car in for a brake job and as the guy had trouble it was said quite loudly that the guy shouldn’t have taken a “yankee car”. I later learned it was about the rust and not me that the comment was made...like most times when I relayed why I was there the baw was super nice. Most of my best friendships in life were forged in my 2 years there. In the ironic twist whenever I drove home from Indiana I’d drive past a huge Stars & Bars flag outside the house of a retired Klan leader...yet no mention from my mom. Her ignorance on full display.

After college we moved to Florida and I spent 5 years trying to talk my Land of Lincoln wife into moving to Starkville. Thankfully we’ve agreed on a move to Nashville after my youngest kid is out of high school. That’s why I asked about what is considered “Yankee” because the upper Midwest is far more southern than those pricks on the east coast. That was one thing that broke the ice with my suite mates...we would laugh at the NY kid a few doors down almost everyday, the poor kid didn’t stand a chance with our suite’s chemistry.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23781 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:28 am to
frick the North.
The Civil war wasn't about slavery, it was about the North resenting South's monopoly on agriculture and Federal government trying to impose unfair taxation. Slavery was an easy social issue to gain public support.

Of course, that's not what is taught in school.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63662 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:31 am to
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It seems like the South resisted cultural, industrial and educational change during and after Reconstruction.


You should study the era more if you think this is the case.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:34 am to
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Yep. Sorest losers in American history.



until 2016
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:27 am to
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Hell yes there was. In a lot of ways more hatred for yankees than during the war as those carpet baggers screwed us all post war.

My grandmother wasn't racist at all, but if you said someone was a Yankee, she would blow up and say, "He's not a Yankee, he's a damn Yankee."
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:01 am to
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I guess some could say there still is, but how long did it take to become a united nation again. I can’t imagine all confederates were over it after a few years.

Also, they have some cool videos on YouTube of civil war veterans chatting it up.


The resentment really came from Reconstruction. Lots of southerners were stripped of what they had and not allowed to vote, etc. Carpetbaggers from up north came and bought up land and industry for pennies on the dollar and this caused resentment.

The Civil War was a real travesty and poorly handled by rash men on both sides from the very start till long after the war. The brunt of the punishment like always ended up going to those who were often the most innocent(freed slaves, poor working whites, etc).
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:38 pm to
I still consider Abe Lincoln to be one of the most callous, rash and cruel Presidents ever considering that he was more than perfectly content and fine to let half a million human beings die just to keep a ragtag band of states together and end something that was already well on its way to being ended by peaceful means.

All that blood is on his hands and he better have had a good answer when he met his maker the night of the play at the Ford theater.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22278 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:04 pm to
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Eisenhower and Nixon did quite well in the South.



Ike didn't do all that well.


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