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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
i never said it's the exact same thing, all i've done is question whether or not the difference in those two things is worth flattening two cities over. i think thats a worthwhile question to ask.
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If you can’t even defend the core principle in your argument then what are you even doing?
Being a contrarian a-hole.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:10 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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If you can’t even defend the core principle in your argument then what are you even doing?
can you categorically confirm beyond a reasonable doubt all the details for every position you take? Of course not.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:10 pm to Centinel
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Being a contrarian a-hole.
No, i'm just willing to admit i don't know everything unlike you people
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
How many of the 362 posts in this thread are yours?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, i'm just willing to admit i don't know everything unlike you people
Ockham's Razor. You really need to understand it.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:13 pm to LCA131
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How many of the 362 posts in this thread are yours?
Probably 40 or 50?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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never said it's the exact same thing, all i've done is question whether or not the difference in those two things is worth flattening two cities over. i think thats a worthwhile question to ask.
Don’t back away from it now. You said it multiple times.
The core of your argument was that the terms of surrender before and after the bombs were the same so the bombs weren’t neccessary.
Don’t try to paint us as the bad guys. You came in here with the attitude that you had all the answers. Not a friendly conversation. So don’t get all upset when people grill you for specifics.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:14 pm to Centinel
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Ockham's Razor
Okay, where’s the fun in just jumping to Ockham’s Razor. I’m not interested in just ending the discussion as soon as it starts.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:15 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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can you categorically confirm beyond a reasonable doubt all the details for every position you take? Of course not.
That’s a strawman if I’ve ever seen one. Not asking for that. Just asking for some evidence to support your core claim.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:16 pm to Centinel
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Ockham's Razor. You really need to understand it.
Never heard of this one. Is it like a knock-off of the original?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:16 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The core of your argument was that the terms of surrender before and after the bombs were the same so the bombs weren’t neccessary.
No, I said they were essentially the same
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Don’t try to paint us as the bad guys.
You’re projecting. I’ve said at least 5 times I probably would have dropped the bombs too.
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You came in here with the attitude that you had all the answers.
Wrong again. In fact I’ve gone out of my way to stress that I DON’T have all the answers. You’re putting words in my mouth.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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the allies would have had no idea if Japan was ready to surrender because the emperor couldn't make up his mind.
So we made their mind up for them.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:17 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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No, i'm just willing to admit i don't know everything unlike you people
Don't lump me in ANY GROUP... YOU will not listen to reason... You are just arguing to argue at this point..........
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Just asking for some evidence to support your core claim.
And how many links have I posted?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:18 pm to LCA131
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Never heard of this one. Is it like a knock-off of the original?
It's an alternate spelling. The guy was William of Ockham.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:18 pm to dukke v
Okay Peej, my mistake
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
from your link
the Soviets entered AFTER we dropped the bomb.
so they wasn’t ready to quit before.
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“Indeed, Soviet attack, not the Hiroshima bomb, convinced political leaders to end the war.”
the Soviets entered AFTER we dropped the bomb.
so they wasn’t ready to quit before.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:20 pm to northshorebamaman
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It's an alternate spelling. The guy was William of Ockham.
Correct. Although I prefer to call it the original spelling instead of an alternate.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 7:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Hadn’t read the whole thread so someone may have mentioned this, but DDE, this commander, that commander can say what they want regarding the Japanese being ready to throw in the towel, but doesn’t the timeline of how those events unfolded answer your question?
If Japan was THAT ready to completely capitulate / unconditionally surrender, why didn’t they make that call about, oh, 15 seconds after Hiroshima was leveled?
My questions are really questions - not smart arse responses. Like everyone else my age/older, I’ve always heard those bombs saved American lives, Japan was gonna dig in and fight a while longer costing American lives (300-500 k), etc.
Obviously, Japan had been effectively beaten way before those bombs, but there’s a big difference between effectively beaten and unconditional surrender - and that difference, unfortunately, would have been measured in American lives.
While I fully believe that our government would do shady shite like “unnecessarily” / overwhack enemy combatants, I think the lack of an unconditional surrender the very next day (assuming I properly understand what really happened and when it happened from bomb 1 and surrender) kinda answers the question.
TLDR - yes. Their asses would have quit after the first one if the answer was no.
If Japan was THAT ready to completely capitulate / unconditionally surrender, why didn’t they make that call about, oh, 15 seconds after Hiroshima was leveled?
My questions are really questions - not smart arse responses. Like everyone else my age/older, I’ve always heard those bombs saved American lives, Japan was gonna dig in and fight a while longer costing American lives (300-500 k), etc.
Obviously, Japan had been effectively beaten way before those bombs, but there’s a big difference between effectively beaten and unconditional surrender - and that difference, unfortunately, would have been measured in American lives.
While I fully believe that our government would do shady shite like “unnecessarily” / overwhack enemy combatants, I think the lack of an unconditional surrender the very next day (assuming I properly understand what really happened and when it happened from bomb 1 and surrender) kinda answers the question.
TLDR - yes. Their asses would have quit after the first one if the answer was no.
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