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Wall Street Journal Article-Does science prove God does exist?

Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:34 pm
Posted by secman12
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:34 pm
Article in Wall Street Journal basically showing how science can be used to support that we were not randomly created- that there is a God.

Look, I'm NOT preaching or trying to solve any God vs. no God argument, just think this is an interseting thought- that the chances of us being randomly created and/or the chance of other life forms or the big bang being a random event are near if not zero-based on science.


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Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:35 pm to
If so, it destroys faith.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:36 pm to
I wonder what kind of iPad God has
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:37 pm to
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I wonder what kind of iPad God has


God uses Android
Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:37 pm to
That's what's going to happen eventually

Whoa, read magildas post and I change my mind. That's deep. And true.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

I wonder what kind of iPad God has


i dont know but the man sure can paint a picture
Posted by Dr. Shultz
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:38 pm to
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If so, it destroys faith.




Science proving God exists = the destruction of faith?
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm to
It all had to start somewhere....someone had to create the first, well, whatever was first. Maybe a dust particle, maybe a man, maybe water, maybe a single atom, but someone or something had to create the first thing ever. Trips me out to think about.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm to
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Posted by Dr. Shultz quote: If so, it destroys faith. Science proving God exists = the destruction of faith?



Yes
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm to
Response to that article by Theoretical Physicist, Dr. Lawrence Krauss:

quote:

Note: On Dec. 26, 2014 an opinion piece appeared in the Wall Street Journal titled “Science Increasingly makes the case for God.” Lawrence Krauss responded with the following letter disputing its specious science claims. Unfortunately the editors of the WSJ failed to print his response. Since then, the opinion piece has gained traction on right-wing and religious websites, spreading inaccuracies and misinformation. Lawrence’s letter corrects the record.

By Lawrence Krauss

To the editor:

I was rather surprised to read the unfortunate oped piece “Science Increasingly makes the case for God”, written not by a scientist but a religious writer with an agenda. The piece was rife with inappropriate scientific misrepresentations. For example:

We currently DO NOT know the factors that allow the evolution of life in the Universe. We know the many factors that were important here on Earth, but we do not know what set of other factors might allow a different evolutionary history elsewhere. The mistake made by the author is akin to saying that if one looks at all the factors in my life that led directly to my sitting at my computer to write this, one would obtain a probability so small as to conclude that it is impossible that anyone else could ever sit down to compose a letter to the WSJ.
We have discovered many more planets around stars in our galaxy than we previously imagined, and many more forms of life existing in extreme environments in our planet than were known when early estimates of the frequency of life in the universe were first made. If anything, the odds have increased, not decreased.
The Universe would certainly continue to exist even if the strength of the four known forces was different. It is true that if the forces had slighty different strengths ( but nowhere near as tiny as the fine-scale variation asserted by the writer) then life as we know it would probably not have evolved. This is more likely an example of life being fine-tuned for the universe in which it evolved, rather than the other way around.
My ASU colleague Paul Davies may have said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming”, but his statement should not be misinterpreted. The appearance of design of life on Earth is also overwhelming, but we now understand, thanks to Charles Darwin that the appearance of design is not the same as design, it is in fact a remnant of the remarkable efficiency of natural selection.
Religious arguments for the existence of God thinly veiled as scientific arguments do a disservice to both science and religion, and by allowing a Christian apologist to masquerade as a scientist WSJ did a disservice to its readers.
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:39 pm to
Excellent article.
Posted by secman12
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2011
1212 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:40 pm to
If so, it destroys faith

good point, but doubt everyone will ever believe, just look at the world today, some think OJ is innocent, 911 is US plot and that Ole Miss will some day win a SEC championship in football again after 51 years...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:40 pm to
How? All it does is show that your faith was put into something that exists.

ETA: If you're just saying faith would no longer be necessary, then sure. But you sure went with the doom and gloom way of saying it if so.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

that the chances of us being randomly created and/or the chance of other life forms or the big bang being a random event are near if not zero-based on science.


and the amount of matter in the universe is near zero relative to the amount of space so that must mean that there is technically no matter in the universe.

ETA: Hat tip to Douglas Adams

quote:

“It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the products of a deranged imagination.”


? The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Stagg8
Houston
Member since Jan 2005
12986 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

chance of other life forms or the big bang being a random event are near if not zero


Have no interest in arguing creation of the universe; that said, this argument is pointless. On an infinite timescale (i.e. the continuum of time before the universe's creation), any and everything, regardless of how remote the possibility, will happen.
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:42 pm to
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Excellent article.



Not really. Pretty bad, actually.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:42 pm to
So on an infinite scale, I'll eventually be reincarnated as Jimmy Hoffa? That is certain to happen eventually?
Posted by Stagg8
Houston
Member since Jan 2005
12986 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

So on an infinite scale, I'll eventually be reincarnated as Jimmy Hoffa? That is certain to happen eventually?


You would get a different answer to mine if you asked someone in Punjab.

ETA: The point being that anything with more than a "zero" percent chance of happening, even at the extreme edge of an asymptote, will happen given an infinite amount of time.
This post was edited on 1/5/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:45 pm to
How many times is this stupid article going to be posted?
Posted by VetteGuy
Member since Feb 2008
28164 posts
Posted on 1/5/15 at 3:45 pm to
If you think life is a random event, take apart a Rolex and throw the pieces on a beach. See how long it takes for those parts to reassemble into a watch.

(you = people in general)
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