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re: Waffle House workers are the latest group to strike, requesting $25 per hour
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am to SpidermanTUba
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It looks like that might not be the case though, right? If their workers are thinking about maybe not wanting to work? How can you ignore the opinion of the people that actually work their as to what a fair price for their labor is? I mean, really?
quite simple.
if my boss can find someone who can do what I do better than I can for a lower price, he will.
He hasn't yet, so he pays me my salary.
If the owner of Waffle House can just replace these people with somebody that is willing and able at the same price these employees quit for, he will.
If he can't replace them for the same or lower cost, then he will pay them more.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:03 am to Nutriaitch
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if my boss can find someone who can do what I do better than I can for a lower price, he will.
precisely. Your commercial value is your replacement value, not your output.
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If the owner of Waffle House can just replace these people with somebody that is willing and able at the same price these employees quit for, he will.
If he can't replace them for the same or lower cost, then he will pay them more.
Yep, I'm finding many people who claim to be "educated" on this board really aren't. They are economic idiots.
The market is the only efficient way to determine wages.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
And the amount of skills / training to do a position plays into how much a boss will put up with before replacing you.
If you are completely unskilled, he can replace you immediately with no training required.
If you require moderate training, that is harder.
If you need specialized training that is very hard to do (takes a long time / costs a lot), you tend to put up with a LOT of shite unless you have someone else able to step in immediately and replace the problem employee.
If you are completely unskilled, he can replace you immediately with no training required.
If you require moderate training, that is harder.
If you need specialized training that is very hard to do (takes a long time / costs a lot), you tend to put up with a LOT of shite unless you have someone else able to step in immediately and replace the problem employee.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:08 am to teke184
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And the amount of skills / training to do a position plays into how much a boss will put up with before replacing you.
Yep.
The ONLY way to succeed in life is to continually upgrading your individual capital. Paying Waffle flippers $25/hour is so out of whack with unskilled wages.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:10 am to Nutriaitch
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If the owner of Waffle House can just replace these people with somebody that is willing and able at the same price these employees quit for, he will.
If he can't replace them for the same or lower cost, then he will pay them more.
No disagreement there. It's possible the people working in the Waffle Houses have a better feel of the local labor market for people who are willing to do that sort of thing that any of the posters here though, right? Yours truly included. With my limited experience in fast food, it wasnt really hard to tell when the boss was having trouble filling positions. Your hours go up, for one thing. And most of the managers I worked with freely shard their frustrations with their end of the work.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:12 am to SpidermanTUba
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It's possible the people working in the Waffle Houses have a better feel of the local labor market for people who are willing to do that sort of thing that any of the posters here
Jesus christ dude, how naive are you?
Waffle House employees wanting $25 will not get that anywhere else. Do you know why?
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:15 am to Nutriaitch
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it's called years and years of fluctuation based on the market.
It's not a free market though, is it? If all government welfare, outside of things people pay into like social security, were eliminated, wouldn't the price for waffle house labor go up? Is it possible we're paying for those higher priced waffles anyways? And that actually the wealthier posters who pay lots of taxes are subsidizing the price of waffles for the posters who pay little or no taxes?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If they choose.
Are you saying there are millions of absolutely worthless humans on in this country? If so, they need to die out.
Is it really hard in your world to increase personal value?
Look, I get it. You are pissed off because your life sucks and it has to be someone other than your own fault. I know a BUNCH of angry arse old white men in exactly the same shape as you...if you turn on Fox News you will see example after example.
What you are talking about is an individual making more money than it takes to produce. That is what increasing personal value is about, you pretending to be stupid arse. What I am talking about is the cost of production. It is 2 entirely different issues and unless you are as dumb as a stump you know that. Low wage employees are not earning what it takes them to produce. Their employer relies on their production. Has nothing at all to do with their VALUE, your stupid motherfricker, it is about the cost of their PRODUCTION. Their employer relies on YOU to subsidize their production costs, not their value. They have NO value to anyone OTHER THAN THEIR frickING EMPLOYER YOU IGNORANT BASTARD. Their employer is the only one benefitting from their production...they ain't even getting their costs back, they are on the dole or involved in crime or a combination. Ignorant, hateful people pretending as if human beings have a market value are allowing some seriously corrupt and seriously wealthy people to dupe the stupid into subsidizing their production costs so they can make more money. Why you are pretending to confuse value and production costs is beyond me but you aren't alone...most angry old white men will do it and the WalMart Heirs laugh all the way to the bank....
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:19 am to AwgustaDawg
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Look, I get it. You are pissed off because your life sucks and it has to be someone other than your own fault. I know a BUNCH of angry arse old white men in exactly the same shape as you...if you turn on Fox News you will see example after example.
What you are talking about is an individual making more money than it takes to produce. That is what increasing personal value is about, you pretending to be stupid arse. What I am talking about is the cost of production. It is 2 entirely different issues and unless you are as dumb as a stump you know that. Low wage employees are not earning what it takes them to produce. Their employer relies on their production. Has nothing at all to do with their VALUE, your stupid motherfricker, it is about the cost of their PRODUCTION. Their employer relies on YOU to subsidize their production costs, not their value. They have NO value to anyone OTHER THAN THEIR frickING EMPLOYER YOU IGNORANT BASTARD. Their employer is the only one benefitting from their production...they ain't even getting their costs back, they are on the dole or involved in crime or a combination. Ignorant, hateful people pretending as if human beings have a market value are allowing some seriously corrupt and seriously wealthy people to dupe the stupid into subsidizing their production costs so they can make more money. Why you are pretending to confuse value and production costs is beyond me but you aren't alone...most angry old white men will do it and the WalMart Heirs laugh all the way to the bank....
This assessment make sense to me.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:20 am to Byrdybyrd05
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Waffle House workers
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requesting $25 per hour
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and have 24-hour security for all restaurants
With the increased prices that will cause, you'll see at least a 30% reduction in customers. Fewer customers mean more closures. These stores operate on a very small margin. The simple people just refuse to understand that when operation costs go up, something has to give. That "give" is either employee reductions or complete closure. Waffle House could very easily convert to a 85% self serve model just like the models that McDs are exploring.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:23 am to Byrdybyrd05
Soooooooo... If they get $25 an hour, tips go to the business.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:23 am to Boudreaux35
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With the increased prices that will cause, you'll see at least a 30% reduction in customers. Fewer customers mean more closures. These stores operate on a very small margin. The simple people just refuse to understand that when operation costs go up, something has to give. That "give" is either employee reductions or complete closure. Waffle House could very easily convert to a 85% self serve model just like the models that McDs are exploring.
Exactly.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:24 am to SpidermanTUba
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This assessment make sense to me.
Of course it does.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:24 am to AwgustaDawg
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Look, I get it. You are pissed off because your life sucks and it has to be someone other than your own fault.
Unlike you, I don't have to cry and hold my breath to get a raise from an employer.
Just admit youre an economic retard and have no clue what the tradeoffs to paying unskilled workers $25/hr.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:24 am to Boudreaux35
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With the increased prices that will cause, you'll see at least a 30% reduction in customers.
How much will prices go up?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:24 am to SpidermanTUba
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This assessment make sense to me.
Of course, You have no clue about anything related to economics.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:25 am to AwgustaDawg
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What you are talking about is an individual making more money than it takes to produce.
Wrong.
You simply do NOT understand the very basics of what youre trying to convey.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:26 am to SpidermanTUba
You idiots don’t even see what you are doing.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:26 am to teke184
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This assessment make sense to me.
Of course it does.
Yep, uneducated people flock together.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:27 am to roadGator
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You idiots don’t even see what you are doing.
Neither can understand it.
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