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re: Vince McMahon facing more allegations?

Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:00 am to
Posted by LivingstonLaw
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:00 am to
Damn Sunny is in that movie. Isn’t she in jail now?
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:02 am to
Wake me when his daughter's sex tape comes out.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:11 am to
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That in and of itself isn’t news these days. What I found more interesting is an interview with Greg The Hammer Valentine. When asked about her, he didn’t like the idea of her working the territory but also said she had randomly confided in him one night about what had happened and he figured it was bullshite to run a scam. Then several years later, that exact same story got told in the papers by her.


Bret Hart talked about her recently. He never believed her, but came to the realization she was telling the truth over the years.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:05 am to
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Here is the movie I found.

Wrestling with shadows. The Bret Hart screw job

LINK

Enjoy

Vince had no sympathy for Bret


It was a work. That film crew just wasn't in on it.
Posted by LivingstonLaw
Livingston County
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:38 am to
And Bret got to knock out Vince in back afterwards.
Posted by LivingstonLaw
Livingston County
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:39 am to
Bret would rather just blow his brains out rather than lose to Shawn Michaels.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:40 am
Posted by teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:42 am to
The context is slightly different though.

Both worked with her but, as far as I know, Hammer is one of the only people in the business claiming she told that story before it became a lawsuit.



OTOH, Bret was virtually an eyewitness to Kevin Kelly (Nailz) choking out Vince after a dispute. On his way out the door, Nailz found a phone and called in a police report that Vince had fondled him.

No proof that anything happened other than Nailz attacking Vince, and Nailz is a known nutcase, but it is another bit of smoke out there with regards to Vince and sexual allegations.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:43 am to
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Bret would rather just blow his brains out rather than lose to Shawn Michaels.


The problem is that Michaels, at that time, was such a massive prick and hard to work with that Bret refused to do so.



As Cornette put it, Bret refusing to drop the title was a gigantic sign of disrespect but, if anyone in the business ever deserved that treatment, it was Shawn.
Posted by lsucoonass
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:48 am to
Yeah

He had pedophiles that we’re hiring minors to set up the rings, who were terry garvin, and Mel Phillips (I think that’s his last name) anyways, Mel had a foot fetish

Then there’s Pat Patterson who tried to play grab arse with psycho Sid and asked sid to watch lightning with him. He also propositioned Jim powers.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 11:50 am
Posted by lsucoonass
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Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:54 am to
Yes

When Linda was running for political office, she wanted Tom Cole to go into the corporate office to sign documents, I’m assuming these were nda’s. If I recall correctly, Lee made it sound as if they were holding him hostage in the office. Which I wouldn’t be surprised since Tom unfortunately committed suicide.
Posted by teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:56 am to
Phillips and Garvin are acknowledged as issues.

There is a reason Gorilla would identify someone as a “graduate of the Terry Garvin School of Defense” in commentary, meaning they beat the shite out of him for making a pass.


Pat? Lotta smoke but few people making direct accusations. Main one I know of is Roddy Piper talking about how he saw people getting pressured to get a double hotel room with Pat.

Not to say Pat didn’t try to trade sex for a push but few people said much, in part because Pat was Vince’s right hand man for years.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:09 pm to
I’m sure that happened.

I just saw a video on YouTube this morning that indicated tko was legally responsible for paying the money to grant, so now who knows what’s going on

I’m sure Vince is also being investigated by the feds and SEC for stock manipulation
Posted by teke184
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:21 pm to
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I’m sure that happened.


The Pat stuff? Probably happened but too few people were willing to make accusations because Pat was so connected that accusing him would end your career.

Barry O, the son of Bob Orton Sr, brother of Bob Orton Jr, and uncle of Randy Orton, claims to have turned down Pat and being put into a jobber role as a result, but he is one of the few guys to outright make the claim.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:22 pm to
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I just saw a video on YouTube this morning that indicated tko was legally responsible for paying the money to grant, so now who knows what’s going on


Not so fast my friend…

There are claims that Vince and his attorney, Jerry McDevitt, drafted and executed the agreements without WWE’s awareness and consent.


Which would arguably make them fraudulent and dump the onus back on Vince.


McDevitt retiring around the time these were made suggests that he didn’t intend to keep practicing for long once these were done.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
67168 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:32 pm to
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The problem is that Michaels, at that time, was such a massive prick and hard to work with that Bret refused to do so.



As Cornette put it, Bret refusing to drop the title was a gigantic sign of disrespect but, if anyone in the business ever deserved that treatment, it was Shawn.

Vince wasn't going to give Bret any opportunity to leave with the belt. Bret knew the finish, he just didn't like it and pitched a hissy fit for a couple decades.
Posted by Lake08
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:39 pm to
The wife and I sat next to Sabra on a flight to Vegas. We both agreed she was one of the most attractive people we’ve ever seen
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101903 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:45 pm to
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Vince wasn't going to give Bret any opportunity to leave with the belt. Bret knew the finish, he just didn't like it and pitched a hissy fit for a couple decades.


TBH, the whole fricking thing started because Vince didn’t want to pay Bret what he was promised but, by the same token, didn’t take the title off him before letting him negotiate with WCW.


Bret having creative control written into the contract because of Vince’s history of jobbing people into oblivion on the way out, in excess of what is normally done, was also Vince’s fault.



Should Bret have done what he did? Probably not. But Vince created his own monster by not taking the belt off Bret before letting him negotiate with WCW.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69115 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
Yeah I did hear this as well.

Therefore I’m not sure what all to believe anymore

What I’m wondering is when Janel went from consenting to become a victim; I don’t feel as if she was raped/assaulted from the beginning. I’m guessing the point was when Vince used the dildos or defecated on her
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
101903 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:52 pm to
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What I’m wondering is when Janel went from consenting to become a victim; I don’t feel as if she was raped/assaulted from the beginning. I’m guessing the point was when Vince used the dildos or defecated on her


Dunno when the transition occurred but when you go from destitute to having a job you have no qualifications for on the understanding that you service your boss, it is textbook quid pro quo sexual harassment.
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:55 pm to
This is all crazy considering wwe probably as big mainstream as it has been in 20+ years.
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