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re: Update: ALL RESCUED - Doctors Father Dies

Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by TheChosenOne
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 8:59 pm to
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I am extremely interested in the communication methods used with the kids thru the tightest and tightest passages. I dont know if the masks will allow for any communication method and they can't see hand signal under the water. I would really hope there would be some communication but i just don't know


I haven’t seen any info on distances, but if they’re manageable, they could anchor a guide rope on the entrance and exit of each dive so that the kids and pull themselves along the rope. That way the need for communication is minimal.

ETA: I just read some more about the dives. This just isn’t an option at some parts. The currents combined with the limited visibility sounds like a nightmare.
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 9:05 pm
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:01 pm to
I wonder about that same thing.

Seems like you have experience diving. Should they have two divers accompany each boy- one leading going in feet first, and one behind who holds a shared tank with the child?

I have no idea. This one of the scariest news events I’ve ever watched unfold.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:06 pm to
38 minutes ago NZ Herald:
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As the large media contingent began packing up equipment, ambulances arrived at the mouth of the limestone cave. "From the situation assessment, we need to use the area to help victims," police said. There has been a recent flurry of activity at the site. As well as ambulances that have gathered at the site, American divers have arrived and the nearby relatives' room is empty. "Officials also announced that during the operation no one is allowed to take photos and if any unsuitable photos come out the person will be held responsible," The Guardian reports.


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Thai authorities have ordered an evacuation of the site around the cave entrance in which 12 young footballers and their coach are stranded to allow for a "rescue operation". "Assessing the situation now, it is necessary to evacuate the area for the rescue operation," The Guardian reports Mae Sai police commander Komsan Sa-ardluan saying over a loudspeaker at the site. "Those unrelated to the rescue operation, please evacuate the area immediately." There has been speculation mounting for some hours that the rescue operation is imminent, if not already under way.


LINK
Posted by TheIrishFro
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:14 pm to
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Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:16 pm to
Thank you for that link. The live feed has also stopped, at least for now.

Live stream link




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"Officials also announced that during the operation no one is allowed to take photos and if any unsuitable photos come out the person will be held responsible," The Guardian reports.


I agree with this.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:18 pm to
Makes me think they aren't about to turn this into a social media spectacle so people can focus on the task at hand and nothing else.
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4121 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:19 pm to
If it's the same dive rescue operation that's been mentioned, then I think it's a bad move.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:22 pm to
That’s heart breaking. You’re basically going in to lead some if not all of those kids and their coach to their deaths, never mind that rescue personnel could die too. But after 2 weeks you have to do something I suppose. Hard situation
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15963 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:23 pm to
It’s seems to be best bad move to choose from. There doesn’t seem to be any good moves and it’s better to do it now with the water levels as low as they will go.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:24 pm to
I did think of one thing that is a positive.
The current in the cavern will help propel the children and divers outwards.

Some of the earlier maps that showed both distances and times to scuba through them showed it took the divers an hour longer going in than coming out. To me that says a strong current will help them going out.
Posted by RunningBlake
Member since Aug 2011
4121 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:27 pm to
Maybe it's some new plan they have.
But if they're taking kids that can't swim and putting them in scuba gear and making them scuba dive then it's a bad idea.
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
806 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

Seems like you have experience diving. Should they have two divers accompany each boy- one leading going in feet first, and one behind who holds a shared tank with the child? 


No, absolutely would not want to be heading out feet first. They will be traveling "with" the flow, being pushed out of the cave, which has it's own challenges, although less physically exhausting than fighting against the flow.

The divers all need to be facing out, one hand on the line. The lead diver will have one hand ahead feeling their way (and to keep from bonking their head on cave.) The only communication in zero viz situations is by touch, or if they have comms in full face masks. Remember there's a language barrier here too...I bet these kids don't all speak English and the cave divers surely don't speak Thai.

Hoping for the best...

This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
15963 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:29 pm to
I agree, but from all reports there aren’t any other workable plans to get them out. Once the rain starts back up there is zero hope of getting them any time soon or at all.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
48481 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:32 pm to
This is my impression: you either go on a pseudo suicide mission to get as many out now as you can or you continue to wait it out and they die in the coming days and weeks as the waters rise. It will be a bonafide modern miracle if everyone emerges from this scenario alive
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:34 pm to
That makes sense. I’m hoping for the best too.

My heart aches for those parents anxiously waiting at the cave entrance. It must be difficult to be truly positive considering all the facts.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:34 pm to
They’re all gonna make it.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11253 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:36 pm to
The Thai Seals do speak Thai and at least three of the boys speak English from when they responded to the Brit divers reaching them for the first time.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:38 pm to
Thanks -- but pardon my ignorance. How do you read a magazine under water?? And eat under water?? How the heck??
Posted by shell01
Marianna, FL
Member since Jul 2014
806 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:38 pm to
Right, I said the cave divers don't speak Thai. The Thai Seals are not cave divers.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 9:39 pm to
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GeauxxxTigers23


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They’re all gonna make it.


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