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Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:00 pm to
Posted by tigermed
Member since Nov 2007
442 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:00 pm to
I’m not saying they make up criteria. What I am saying is that they use criteria that is stricter than any other reasonable insurance company to protect their bottom line. Hence the fact that I’ve only had a single Humana Gold Insurance patient accepted to inpatient rehab. It’s not that patients don’t meet reasonable criteria for rehab. It’s that Humana denies reasonable criteria.
Posted by financetiger
Member since Feb 2008
1882 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:00 pm to
Allow me to reiterate my overall point, "Mr. Peoples' Health employee". Basically I said that there are appallingly sh*tty HMO's out there and there are a small few exemplary ones. Of course, the former far outnumber the latter, and I suspect that you are part of a crappy HMO that prioritizes the "bottom line" over the well-being of patients and excessively circumscribes the authority of physicians. In my opinion, HMO's represent a FAILED ATTEMPT AT ESTABLISHING A FINANCIALLY SOUND HEALTH CARE SYSTEM that not only respects the authority of physicians but also the best health care needs of patients.
Posted by tigermed
Member since Nov 2007
442 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:03 pm to
Also I am not arguing against requiring prior auth to keep some shitty PCP from jumping straight to ordering a MRI for someone who has a headache. I’m arguing about appropriate rehab care for people that qualify for it under all other reasonable insurances.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57365 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

"Mr. Peoples' Health employee".

Lol, I thought I wa a Humana medical director?

You’ve proved your point time and time again. You don’t know the medicare advantage benefits and you don’t like that they make it harder to be reimbursed for skilled or acute care, procedures or admissions without a medical history and documentation proving those tests, care, admissions, etc are appropriate.

You prefer Medicare, where you can order whatever you want and get paid.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted by financetiger
Member since Feb 2008
1882 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:07 pm to
Skimping on services to make a profit= Managed Care

If I have gotten just 5 people's eyes opened on the whole "managed care" SCAM (Humana, Peoples, etc) situation, I'm going to bed happy! Tell all your family, friends and anyone approaching 65....JUST DON'T DO IT! STICK WITH MEDICARE FOR BETTER CARE!
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5075 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:08 pm to
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circumscribes the authority of physicians.


The physicians aren’t writing the checks, ergo they have no authority. Despite your protests, more and more facilities (including specialists) enter into risk sharing agreements with payors every month. Would this happen if they thought the HMOs were operating in bad faith?
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13879 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:08 pm to
Every time I hear the “people’s health”, I think of the Rock saying it. Like the people’s elbow.

Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
57365 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:11 pm to
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I’m arguing about appropriate rehab care for people that qualify for it under all other reasonable insurances.


Yeah, I hear you. It’s frustrating to guide my family through the process sometimes and having to go through steps 1 and 2 to get to 3 (when we all know 3 is where we are headed anyway ) but I don’t blame it all on the medicare advantage plans. I know that’s how Humana keeps the patient cost as low as they do. Is the system perfect, no. But I’ve got four family members in my close family on two MA plans right now. One in slidell, two in Nola and one in BR. They vary in health from weekend tennis player to someone who’s just a shoe in for two in-patient stays a year. When faced with the choice of putting up with the process of prior auths or paying substantially more out of pocket for originals medicare, even though they chooose different plans, the choice was simple for each of them.

That being said, all of their docs already participated in the networks of the plans they joined.
This post was edited on 6/7/18 at 10:13 pm
Posted by financetiger
Member since Feb 2008
1882 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Lol, I thought I wa a Humana medical director?


I stand corrected, but I knew it was one or the other.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13879 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:17 pm to
quote:

The physicians aren’t writing the checks, ergo they have no authority. Despite your protests, more and more facilities (including specialists) enter into risk sharing agreements with payors every month. Would this happen if they thought the HMOs were operating in bad faith?


The rehab physicians aren’t writing the checks, but when a rehab physician does a consult on a patient in an acute care hospital, and recommends inpatient rehab, why deny it initially? Then the rehab doc has to do a peer-to-peer review with a semi-retired family practice doc from three states away, just to justify the rehab admission.

I understand if it’s something that falls in the 40% of the 60/40% rule of rehab admissions (like a unilateral total knee replacement), but with a stroke patient, it’s ridiculous.
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5075 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:23 pm to
I 100% see where you are coming from, and a lot of physicians I respect immensely agree with you. So far the government and doctors who come up with the practice guidelines don’t agree. The payor is always going to do what is best for them, especially when they have backup.
Posted by martiallaw
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
1458 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:48 pm to
This is correct. I sell a test which is covered by Medicare so it is $0 out of pocket for regular medicare patients. If the patient has a medicare advantage plan such as People's Health, etc the patient will then get a bill for $350 or more. I know many other examples of this. Sometimes these plans do more harm then good for the patient financially. Not to mention People's Health is terrible, they don't pay anybody.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 6/7/18 at 10:50 pm to
UnitedHealth doesn’t typically have lauoffs after acquisitions. The employees are usually better off.
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