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re: United 23 - fifth plane on 9/11? (Beware, long read)
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:02 am to skeeter531
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:02 am to skeeter531
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They were likely a legit group of al qaeda planning something and were allowed/aided indirectly by people here and thought they were hijacking planes but didn't know they were being used/controlled and part of a bigger plot. They were there to take the blame.
If 9/11 were an "inside job" then this is likely somewhat close to the truth.
If America wanted to cause an event to trigger war in the Middle East, there are easier ways to do so that would have led to the deaths of much fewer Americans and been much easier to plot out.
Something like the Oklahoma City bombing would have had far less moving parts and chances of failure than flying planes into multiple buildings. Even multiple bombings "if needed."
At a certain point, outrage is outrage and fear is fear, it doesn't matter if you kill 100 or 1,000 people.
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:05 am to Sneauxghost
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Why was the ‘impact’ location so narrow compared to the plane width?
Solid concrete. Thin metal plane going 500mph.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:10 am to SoonerK
Somebody with photochop skills insert a jetliner in front of the opening.
Where is the damage from the plane's wings?
They don't fold back into the fuselage that easily.
I've been to that memorial. Very skeptical that a fairly large passenger jet could fly that low and accurately strike a four story building between what looks like the first and second floors.
Where is the damage from the plane's wings?
They don't fold back into the fuselage that easily.
I've been to that memorial. Very skeptical that a fairly large passenger jet could fly that low and accurately strike a four story building between what looks like the first and second floors.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:16 am to Sneauxghost
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Why was the ‘impact’ location so narrow compared to the plane width?
All depends on the angle of the A/C when it strikes the ground/object.
I’ve been on a few crash recovery teams and they all vary in impact area. Just look at the second 737 max crash site. Big hole in the ground and very little left of the A/C.
Airplanes are alot of aluminum frame/skin that gets crushed like a tin can under the power of gravity/engine power when they strike the ground. Engine components are basically most of whats left when one strikes a hard object.
As for human bodies, we are thin-skinned bags of meat and fluids. Not built to withstand the forces of gravity, speed and impact with a hard object.
F-4 crash test cement wall
Forgot to mention on most planes a huge amount of fuel is carried in the wings. What do you think happens to something made of skeletonized aluminum and aluminum skin packed with thousands of gallons of highly flammable jet fuel when it is ignited?
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:05 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:They used what they had at their disposal. Wasn't it fortunate for Lucky Larry Silverstein. He was going to have to spend $1Billion to clear out all the asbestos from the twin towers. Instead, they got "knocked down" and he pocketed $4.6 BILLION in insurance money.
If America wanted to cause an event to trigger war in the Middle East, there are easier ways to do so that would have led to the deaths of much fewer Americans and been much easier to plot out.
Not only that, with public and private funds, Silverstein's World Trade Center rebuild has an estimated value of $11 Billion. Not a bad profit for his initial $3.2 billion investment (which BTW, doesn't come due until 2100).
quote:They said it themselves that they needed a "catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor."
Something like the Oklahoma City bombing would have had far less moving parts and chances of failure than flying planes into multiple buildings. Even multiple bombings "if needed."
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:52 pm to skeeter531
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They were likely a legit group of al qaeda planning something and were allowed/aided indirectly by people here and thought they were hijacking planes but didn't know they were being used/controlled and part of a bigger plot. They were there to take the blame.
But if they have the power to pull off something elaborate as this why not just do it on their own and not involve Al Queida? And how would such a massive elaborate plot have made it this long without someone speaking up? for all the interviews given by people involved in the intelligence community NOBODY has said "we knew they were going to do something on THIS particular day" or "we knew they were going to hijack airplanes from THESE particular airports". The amount of coordination and effort that would be required even if you knew those things would be massive and yet nobody has said anything to support any of it
It's just nonsensical
Idk if you believe the whole "pentagon was hit with a missile" theory but do people realize all it would take is one guy with a camera to blow that all apart? Just like one guy with a camera happened to catch the first plane hitting the WTC. They'd be risking the entire operation on the chances that no camera, anywhere, caught that it wasn't a plane. Not one eyewitness. Nothing
That's all it would've taken for the entire operation to be exposed and the likely result would've been violent revolution for our country
It just doesn't make any sense
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 1:58 pm to Sneauxghost
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Good morning T fan. The towers would not have imploded on themselves with these hits without being rigged for demolition. There are several avenues to go down as to how. One day we may get the truth. G’ day. Replyreplies1
You can watch a 20 minute video on YouTube with a very basic engineering understanding to realize that they would've
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:00 pm to guzziguy
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Where is the damage from the plane's wings? They don't fold back into the fuselage that easily
Wings by design are very light weight and relatively flimsy. It was a concrete building. It's not hard to do that math
Posted on 7/11/24 at 2:27 pm to Reservoir dawg
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No witnesses of smoke in the sky. No witnesses of anything, whatsoever. Good weather too.
That also applies to the "missile" some claim hit the pentagon. A launch would have been noted by more than a few.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:17 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Like the highway full of people commuting to work when a massive plane flew over their head? Nope not enough 
Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:24 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 7/11/24 at 6:44 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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But if they have the power to pull off something elaborate as this why not just do it on their own and not involve Al Queida?
Because OBL and Al Qaeda were they boogeymen they needed us all to hate so we would support war in the middle east.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:03 pm to skeeter531
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Because OBL and Al Qaeda were they boogeymen they needed us all to hate so we would support war in the middle east.
Right but they could've just done it then told us all that's who did it without having to actually involve them
If they had the ability to do all of these things you have mentioned then they certainly have the power to do that. What we would not have now that we currently have? An airport video of the terrorists on one plane going through security? That's basically the only hard evidence we have of them being there
Posted on 7/11/24 at 7:10 pm to GumboPot
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GumboPot
That’s nice. You found a nut job on the internet that posted something you want to believe.
You’ve earned a blue ribbon and a chocolate chip cookie.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:28 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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An airport video of the terrorists on one plane going through security? That's basically the only hard evidence we have of them being there
that is correct, and it wasn't even the airport from which the crashed plane flew. It was the Portland Maine airport they supposedly started out from. It is entirely possible they were complete scapegoats and not even on the plane. If they were on the plane at all, I believe they were not the ones who crashed the planes. It was quite convenient for one of the hijackers' passports to be found unscathed on the sidewalk right outside the twin towers. And they left a trunk full of plans and documents at the airport in Portland....uh huh sure jan...I am not at all sure they were on the planes, but I do think if they were , they didn't know what was actually going to happen, or they may have planned an "ordinary" hijacking.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 9:29 am to skeeter531
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:26 am to Wishnitwas1998
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Idk if you believe the whole "pentagon was hit with a missile" theory but do people realize all it would take is one guy with a camera to blow that all apart?
Well, the FBI reportedly went to every CCTV in the area and took all of the film. AFAIK none of it has ever been released.
Interestingly, my oldest brother is a retired Navy and commercial pilot. Not saying it was a missile that hit the Pentagon, but he’s still puzzled how that guy made a perfect hit.
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:40 am to Wishnitwas1998
The FBI did go around and cease around 86 CCTV's. From gas stations, motels, fast food joints etc etc.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/12/24 at 10:43 am to skeeter531
Phil Marshall was snooping around Pinal airfield in Arizona. He said the hijackers were all trained, on US bases in arizona. He was killed before he could write a book about it.
This post was edited on 7/12/24 at 10:48 am
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