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re: Unions = Major Problem...to say the least.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:37 pm to ManBearTiger
Posted on 1/22/21 at 12:37 pm to ManBearTiger
When it comes to pay, benefits, vacation, etc, unions are great for workers. When it comes to policies and getting things done in the most efficient manner, at least with my union, they suck.
There's a happy medium. Make sure there are American jobs where workers are compensated and make a good living. Abdolutely nothing wrong with that. Its what we all strive for.
But when it comes to adding pork barrel crap and hamstrings management in order to get shite done, total nightmare. Of course the alternative there is turn management loose, which is how it used to be a precisely why they exist in the first place.
Somewhere along the way they jumped the shark and went to far. I expect to paid fairly and am. But I don't like having dumb rules impede me getting shite done.
There's a happy medium. Make sure there are American jobs where workers are compensated and make a good living. Abdolutely nothing wrong with that. Its what we all strive for.
But when it comes to adding pork barrel crap and hamstrings management in order to get shite done, total nightmare. Of course the alternative there is turn management loose, which is how it used to be a precisely why they exist in the first place.
Somewhere along the way they jumped the shark and went to far. I expect to paid fairly and am. But I don't like having dumb rules impede me getting shite done.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:10 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Does Louisiana have a teachers union?
Yes, three, in fact. Louisiana is not a strong union state for teachers, likely due to the division of the unions, and so none of them really accomplish anything at the district or state level. The biggest reason to be in a union as a teacher in Louisiana would be to protect yourself from parental lawsuits.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:52 pm to VooDude
There’s a reason most companies outsource their production from the United States, especially car companies. F unions.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:02 pm to VooDude
Do you like Bolshevik Revolutions? That's exactly how you get Bolshevik Revolutions.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:11 pm to VooDude
I have never had a problem with labor unions...
I feel like they should be free to negotiate based on the workers and skills they provide. It’s a competitive market.
I feel like they should be free to negotiate based on the workers and skills they provide. It’s a competitive market.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:15 pm to VooDude
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Who here thinks unions are good, unbiased from self interests compared to the aggregate good the lack of unions nation wide would provide for consumers and the productive workforce in aggregate?
Unions are great.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:19 pm to VooDude
Some welcome their corporate overlords and take whatever crumbs are allowed them. Others organize and demand more. OP sounds like a take the crumbs guy.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:31 am to VooDude
I was in a union for 5 years. I had to join it to get the job, but was offered the job by the company. It embraces mediocrity.
Went to a private company afterward. Immediately noticed a huge difference. There are hard workers and smooth workers, but the hard workers are promited/recognized, etc.
I saw the disadvantages of the private company though.
Overall private is better.
Went to a private company afterward. Immediately noticed a huge difference. There are hard workers and smooth workers, but the hard workers are promited/recognized, etc.
I saw the disadvantages of the private company though.
Overall private is better.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 9:40 am to VooDude
Public sector unions (police, teachers) are the worst
Posted on 1/23/21 at 10:21 am to VooDude
My last job in the Corporate world was for a hospital owned by a fairly well known Nashville based company. It went to the SEIU after the parent company agreed not to contest the union for several Florida based hospitals to satisfy the union lobbyists.
I’d spent the previous two decades in academic facilities. I can honestly say it was the worst experience of my life due in large part to the Union. I agree that unions have brought some positive workforce changes to the country.
As the person managing a few hundred employees it cuts off the direct line of communication with staff. Everything goes through a Steward. Even so much as a vacation request needed approval from the Stewards. The Union also negotiated raises and wage increases. As a result, everyone got the same raise. Making it impossible for Management to give better merit increases to the most valued employees. As a result; the high performers quickly realize that they could do better elsewhere and leave.
Heaven forbid you didn’t pay dues. If you got in any sort of disciplinary trouble the Union would hang you out to dry. Nearly 40% of the staff didn’t pay dues. It probably comes as no surprise that the worst performing employees knew the SEIU handbook verbatim and were huge fans of the Union.
We had an incident where a Radiology employee administered intravenous contrast medium to a patient despite a physicians order explicitly stating not to as the patient was in kidney failure. This is a cardinal sin that’s drilled into every Radiology employee from day one in college. The employee realized they messed up and started pumping several liters of IV fluids into the patient in an attempt to flush it out of the patient. Trouble is, that’s outside of his scope of practice and if the kidneys aren’t working you are only complicating the patients condition further. Bottom line, the patient bottomed out and was rushed to another hospital to undergo emergency dialysis. The patient could have died.
The Union agreed that the employee should be suspended until an investigation was performed. The hospital argued the employee should be terminated for gross negligence and defying physicians orders. The Unions position was that the job description needed to be updated to make clear that administering medication without a Physicians order isn’t okay and the employee should paid in full while on leave before being allowed to return to work.
6 months later the hospital won and the employee was terminated. Come to find out it was this employees second such incident in a matter of years. All the while during that 6 months the employee was paid in full and had actually found work at another hospital. So he was getting paid double. Making matters worse; we couldn’t refill his position during the investigation/arbitration making his peers bear the burden of huge amounts of overtime for those months.
So it goes without saying, I’m not a huge fan of Unions to this day.
I’d spent the previous two decades in academic facilities. I can honestly say it was the worst experience of my life due in large part to the Union. I agree that unions have brought some positive workforce changes to the country.
As the person managing a few hundred employees it cuts off the direct line of communication with staff. Everything goes through a Steward. Even so much as a vacation request needed approval from the Stewards. The Union also negotiated raises and wage increases. As a result, everyone got the same raise. Making it impossible for Management to give better merit increases to the most valued employees. As a result; the high performers quickly realize that they could do better elsewhere and leave.
Heaven forbid you didn’t pay dues. If you got in any sort of disciplinary trouble the Union would hang you out to dry. Nearly 40% of the staff didn’t pay dues. It probably comes as no surprise that the worst performing employees knew the SEIU handbook verbatim and were huge fans of the Union.
We had an incident where a Radiology employee administered intravenous contrast medium to a patient despite a physicians order explicitly stating not to as the patient was in kidney failure. This is a cardinal sin that’s drilled into every Radiology employee from day one in college. The employee realized they messed up and started pumping several liters of IV fluids into the patient in an attempt to flush it out of the patient. Trouble is, that’s outside of his scope of practice and if the kidneys aren’t working you are only complicating the patients condition further. Bottom line, the patient bottomed out and was rushed to another hospital to undergo emergency dialysis. The patient could have died.
The Union agreed that the employee should be suspended until an investigation was performed. The hospital argued the employee should be terminated for gross negligence and defying physicians orders. The Unions position was that the job description needed to be updated to make clear that administering medication without a Physicians order isn’t okay and the employee should paid in full while on leave before being allowed to return to work.
6 months later the hospital won and the employee was terminated. Come to find out it was this employees second such incident in a matter of years. All the while during that 6 months the employee was paid in full and had actually found work at another hospital. So he was getting paid double. Making matters worse; we couldn’t refill his position during the investigation/arbitration making his peers bear the burden of huge amounts of overtime for those months.
So it goes without saying, I’m not a huge fan of Unions to this day.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 11:40 am to Vacherie Saint
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Teachers unions are largely responsible for problems in our public school system.
Amen brutha, it's near impossible to fire a bad teacher unless he or she is banging a student. My experience back in the late 80's and early 90's was they would actually promote bad teachers to administrative jobs within the school board so at least they would be out of the classroom, the rub then being they were part of administration and policy-making.
And at the yearly budget proposals you would get some of these failed teachers getting up in front of the school board to do their yearly reports and it was laughable. Even more laughable was they would think their reports were fantastic and union members in the audience would cheer every point they would make and pump them up.
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