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Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:20 pm to
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:20 pm to
What will you do with the law degree?

C-suite type job?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104281 posts
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:34 pm to
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used to tell myself the same lie when I graduated from LSU law. Now I’m surrounded by Harvard lawyers. Trust me, you will not be on equal footing with them.


I know a Harvard Law graduate. She's smart, but no smarter than a lot of other people I know. Was a ULL undergrad, brw fwiw.
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
40464 posts
Posted on 7/6/24 at 8:48 pm to
I got my MBA last year at 35 and it was a night and day difference from undergrad. Sure it was tough, but it was a challenge I was willing and excited to take on now that I’m career and family minded, and of course much more mature than 15 yrs ago. My brain isn’t as sharp, so the quantitative courses were tougher, but it’s amazing what you can do when you actually care to focus on it.

I was doing all day Saturday classes for a year and a half, so it was a personal sacrifice, but I feel great having accomplished it. Now I’ve got my eyes on the PMP probably early next year.
This post was edited on 7/6/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted by jflsufan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2013
4997 posts
Posted on 7/6/24 at 10:49 pm to
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What will you do with the law degree?

C-suite type job?


I’m already a C-Suite. My company is sending me so not costing anything but time. Should keep me hireable for the next 20 years.
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
7892 posts
Posted on 7/6/24 at 11:54 pm to
Old man, you won’t be able to keep with the stimulant-assisted study habits of your classmates.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
8807 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 1:39 am to
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he majority of 1Ls have never failed at anything academic in their lives and many are excellent crammers. It takes a LOT of intellectual horsepower to cram in law school but if you keep up with it everyday and are a decent writer it really isn't that difficult to do reasonably well. A lot of 1Ls are in for a surprise with the first exam and they get hit with the law school curve.
Yeah, as someone who always did the bare minimum in school (3.0 student) but was good test taker (32 ACT, 164 LSAT) I thought I could just browse TD all day in law school and use my intelligence to cram for finals... Didn't exactly work out Had to crawl my way out of the bottom 10% after the first semester. Ended right in the middle of the class while doing basically as little as I possibly could. Basically all it took to go from 2.1 to 3.3 was reading the night before class.

I'm five years out and actually just left my first firm. While looking to make a jump, a firm that reached out to me (big name firm in New Orleans) and everything was going great. They then asked to see my transcript and I said "ahh man I'll see if I can get it, it's pretty tough Loyola can be a giant pain in the arse about that stuff" and then just crossed that firm off the list it's ridiculous that I can have five years of experience at a very well respected firm in my field, First chair experience, excellent writing samples and basically four years of running cases myself but that C- I got in obligations at 22 can prevent me from getting a job.

For the OP - there are some absolute morons that get admitted to Loyola. A good chunk of them will be gone by January. There are also some really, really smart people there. Just do the assigned readings and you'll be fine. No need to be a gunner volunteering multiple times per class.
This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 1:44 am
Posted by makersmark1
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/7/24 at 5:53 am to
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. Should keep me hireable for the next 20 years.


Which industry?

Are you going to be a litigator?
Negotiator?

What aspects of the law are germane to your industry?
Labor?
Government regulation?
Contracts?

I’m sure you will do great, but I would not be able to read that much.
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4397 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 6:31 am to
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I am 51 years old am starting law school at Loyola in the fall


This thread has potential to be very fascinating over the next few years.

I hope the original poster will keep us updated on his experience. I will definitely be following.

Good luck, sir.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1705 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 7:52 am to
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That is great and I wish you luck, but how did you get into Loyola Law School with a 2,6 GPA at Southeastern?


GPA and IQ do not often correlate. Satisfactory professional experience is far superior anyway to classroom time when you were a teenager. Excluding some fields, obviously.

I worked for several years prior to going to grad school full time, and my ability to handle the work was a stark comparison to the students who went straight out of undergrad. They didn't have any real life experience, so much of what we learned was theoretical to them.

Your situation will be similar. You have a boat load of life experience, so you will be learning about real-life examples, much of which you already know from participating in earth this long.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1705 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 8:01 am to
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They then asked to see my transcript and I said "ahh man I'll see if I can get it, it's pretty tough Loyola can be a giant pain in the arse about that stuff"


No! Submit the transcript and move on if they don't hire you because of it. Tons of C students are wildly successful attorneys.

Showing your transcript to them is also just collecting data to prove you actually graduated from the law school you said you did.
Posted by jflsufan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2013
4997 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:43 am to
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For the OP - there are some absolute morons that get admitted to Loyola. A good chunk of them will be gone by January. There are also some really, really smart people there. Just do the assigned readings and you'll be fine. No need to be a gunner volunteering multiple times per class.


Great advice. Thanks
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 9:49 am to
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Boy do we have different definitions of what constitutes an average student.
this is the very definition of average in the 90s lol
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25841 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 10:16 am to
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I’m 45 and about to complete my masters after getting my undergrad at age 44. I can attest to your experience. The classes are a joke and I’m continually shocked at the grammar and the fact some of these people finished high school. It’s been a little better in grad school, but
not much. I skip the zoom calls because they are pointless and the time is taken up with people asking things they should have been taught in the 8th grade


This is a lot of arrogance from someone who took 20+ years to do something many complete in 4 or less.
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
1420 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 10:54 am to
This is true. After real world experience, I would dominate college a second time around. I graduated with a Bachelors of Science from LSU with a 3.23 GPA, and I was loaded on drugs and alcohol all of college. Became a full blown alcoholic shortly after. Got sober nearly 7 years ago now.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72740 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 10:58 am to
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I was an average student 30 years ago graduating with a 2.6 gpa from SLU in Accounting.
Slow
Learners
University

#rotsaruckdummy
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83068 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:04 am to
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I never understood why people have this mindset towards academics.


Bc there is such a thing as class rank in law school
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
18146 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:12 am to
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This post was edited on 7/7/24 at 12:20 pm
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
18146 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:12 am to
I wouldn't worry too much. I went back to school (dentistry) as a 34 year old with two children (1 and 7 yo) and a wife that travelled for work.

I wound up finishing 3rd in a class of 70. Work experience and maturity (I wasn't in the bars every night) helped me greatly.

Good luck.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
72740 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:49 am to
I’m really impressed that you did that twice.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
8807 posts
Posted on 7/7/24 at 11:50 am to
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No! Submit the transcript and move on if they don't hire you because of it. Tons of C students are wildly successful attorneys.

Showing your transcript to them is also just collecting data to prove you actually graduated from the law school you said you did.
Nah, this specific firm only wanted top 10% at 5 years. I also had another offer pending at that point already.
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