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re: UFC is as of now watered down and a joke..
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:16 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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So you're one of the "scripted" crowd, huh?
No way you'd script it like this. And Vegas....
If it was scripted Vegas would never touch it or be able to touch it. Unless they got the script, but even then it would eventually leak.
As it stands now you can't pull for anybody. Meaning, you'll be disappointed. Everybody loses. Been that way since Lidell lost.
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Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:21 am to Tygerfan
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It got away from what made it great. There used to not be weight classes and different styles of fighting were represented. They would search out the best of the best from different arts to represent in the ring. It was a no padded fight that barely had any rules.
Now its just a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match run by the white Don King (Dana White).
So it went from a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu ad, to a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match? The entire purpose of the UFC was to promote BJJ as the best fighting style. The Gracie's started the UFC. So it's only natural that it has progressed to what you see now.
Btw, this argument is funny considering last night's main event was basically a boxing match that didn't go to the ground until Lawler was KO'd.
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:38 am to JJ27
JJ educating folks. It was always a Gracie bjj marketing device. At the time, they were accused of only allowing fighters they "knew" they could beat. Probably much more truth ti that than the silly fixing myth proposed here. A dive or two here, sure, not possible to stop. Scripted? No, we aren't Japanese.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:46 am to JJ27
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The entire purpose of the UFC was to promote BJJ as the best fighting style.
And thats why UFC is boring for those of us who don't care for BJJ and want to actually see a real fighting championship. In the early days of UFC, thats what we thought we were getting.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:46 am to Tygerfan
The rules are in place so the fights will be sanctioned in more states.
The way you want it ... the UFC was outlawed everywhere but Nevada.
But yeah, its boring now. Way way way too many events. One PPV every 2 months with a massive one around new years or Christmas would be the way to go.
The way you want it ... the UFC was outlawed everywhere but Nevada.
But yeah, its boring now. Way way way too many events. One PPV every 2 months with a massive one around new years or Christmas would be the way to go.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:47 am to Tygerfan
quote:One of your issues is that the UFC implemented weight classes? You can still watch the big guys fight in the heavyweight division if that's what gets your juices flowing.
It got away from what made it great. There used to not be weight classes and different styles of fighting were represented. They would search out the best of the best from different arts to represent in the ring. It was a no padded fight that barely had any rules.
And the whole "karate master vs jiu jitsu master" was never going to work long term. And if we're being honest, those were shitty fights. Go back and watch them.
The sport has evolved to where you can't dominate with any one martial art. You have to be well rounded.
We're witnessing the evolution of hand to hand combat. Figuring out what works in actual combat and what doesn't. That's exciting to me.
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Now its just a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu match run by the white Don King (Dana White).
Ok.This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:52 am to Tygerfan
quote:That's what you're getting.
And thats why UFC is boring for those of us who don't care for BJJ and want to actually see a real fighting championship.
ETA: Please don't tell me you think the early UFC days was the embodiment of a "real fighting championship."
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:52 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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One of your issues is that the UFC implemented weight classes? You can still watch the big guys fight in the heavyweight division if that's what gets your juices flowing.
Thats the problem.. The weight classes takes away the true champion. Like I said in my first post, a 140 lb. fighter taking on a 400 lb. wrestler was the draw to the sport.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:54 am to StrongBackWeakMind
The number of events is becoming comical. It is literally weekly now. Between numbered UFC events and UFC fight nights.
And now the competition is watered down. If you string 4 title defenses together you are a HOFer.
And now the competition is watered down. If you string 4 title defenses together you are a HOFer.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:55 am to Tygerfan
quote:How?
The weight classes takes away the true champion.
quote:The UFC was going bankrupt with that model. Sideshow fights are entertaining her and there but that can't be your business model.
a 140 lb. fighter taking on a 400 lb. wrestler was the draw to the sport
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 11:00 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 10:58 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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We're witnessing the evolution of hand to hand combat. Figuring out what works in actual combat and what doesn't.
Are we?
In actual combat, do they stop a fight because one person might out weigh another by 30 lbs.??
Do you think in today's UFC, they would ever let someone who is a master at a certain style come to fight?
That was the whole argument with the Mayweather issue.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:00 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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How?
By having weight classes, you're saying that because one guy who weighs 40 lbs. more than another is a superior fighter.
One of the best defensive tactics instructors I have ever met is only 5'5 and weights 130 but I ensure you he has taken down guys twice his size.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:00 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Please don't tell me you think the early UFC days was the embodiment of a "real fighting championship."
It did suck but had the potential to be great.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:03 am to Tygerfan
quote:Yes.
Are we?
quote:Wrestling? Yes. Kickboxing? Yes. Muay thai? Yes. Jiu jitsu? Yes. Sambo? Yes. Karate? Yes.
Do you think in today's UFC, they would ever let someone who is a master at a certain style come to fight?
Boxers don't want to come over to MMA. They make much more money in boxing.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:03 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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The UFC was going bankrupt with that model. Sideshow fights are entertaining her and there but that can't be your business model.
Exactly, its all about the money now which is why they have the white Don King (Dana White).
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:03 am to Tygerfan
quote:No it didn't. Your business model can't be sideshow fights.
It did suck but had the potential to be great.
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 11:07 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:05 am to Tygerfan
quote:When skills are similar, weight is everything.
By having weight classes, you're saying that because one guy who weighs 40 lbs. more than another is a superior fighter.
quote:Ok? How do you think he would fare if you put him in the cage with an MMA fighter that has 30lbs on him? He would get his shite pushed in.
One of the best defensive tactics instructors I have ever met is only 5'5 and weights 130 but I ensure you he has taken down guys twice his size.
ETA: I'm starting to think this is a troll. If so, you got me.
This post was edited on 7/31/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:11 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Boxers don't want to come over to MMA. They make much more money in boxing.
Also, how hard must it be to cross over. And then cross back over? Like Holly Holm.
To leave MMA and box or kick box? How hard is it to be an MMA fighter and not throw a leg kick in a boxing match? Or not shoot somebody in kick boxing or hip toss in a boxing clinch?
It has to happen. "My bad on the leg kick...." Touch gloves. While the other boxer rubs his/her knee.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:18 am to Tygerfan
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One of the best defensive tactics instructors I have ever met is only 5'5 and weights 130 but I ensure you he has taken down guys twice his size.
But he would not be able to against trained professional fighters.
Taking down normal joe blows is much different than professional fighters.
Posted on 7/31/16 at 11:23 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Also, how hard must it be to cross over. And then cross back over? Like Holly Holm.
To leave MMA and box or kick box? How hard is it to be an MMA fighter and not throw a leg kick in a boxing match? Or not shoot somebody in kick boxing or hip toss in a boxing clinch?
It has to happen. "My bad on the leg kick...." Touch gloves. While the other boxer rubs his/her knee.
Not throwing a leg kick or what not is not the problem.
Its changing the muscle memory of your fighting stance and footwork that is the problem.
MMA stances and footwork defend the lower body as well as defend against takedowns.
Boxing stances and footwork gets you in range for your punches since you can't rely on kicks and "shoots" to get you "inside".
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