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re: UAW goes on strike
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:13 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:13 am to East Coast Band
UAW's going this route of selected plants to make their strike fund last longer. The automakers should lock them out.
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:14 am to elprez00
quote:Ford has lost billions over the last years. Should employees work for free on those years? You may be in to something.
the cost of vehicles has skyrocketed over the last five years, and I’m willing to bet the folks building them haven’t gotten a dime more.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:41 am to elprez00
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To be fair (and I’m being really generous) the cost of vehicles has skyrocketed over the last five years, and I’m willing to bet the folks building them haven’t gotten a dime more.
This is an interesting point. Where is all that money going? Is it profit on the production end or dealer end?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:41 am to elprez00
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To be fair (and I’m being really generous) the cost of vehicles has skyrocketed over the last five years, and I’m willing to bet the folks building them haven’t gotten a dime more.
These aren’t hard working laborer baws like back in the day. Go on social media and see what they look like and how they behaved last night.
Bring in the scabs
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:45 am to momentoftruth87
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To be fair (and I’m being really generous) the cost of vehicles has skyrocketed over the last five years
I live in the world of large earthmoving equipment, which is similar to the automotive industry. The prices on my industry have also risen sharply over the least several years. This is because of two main factors.
Inflation (caused by government)
Emissions & fuel standards (again government)
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:46 am to chryso
quote:For the pricier parts to build the vehicles in the first place.
This is an interesting point. Where is all that money going? Is it profit on the production end or dealer end?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:48 am to latech15
quote:Uhhh… when the auto manufacturers were teetering on the edge, the workers took pay cuts, gave up their pensions for 401ks, and got rid of cost of living adjustments
Where were the unions when they were losing money? Did they step up and want a piece of that action too?
I agree that their demands are ridiculous, but the answer to your question is yes. They took substantial cuts to keep these plants operational when business was bad.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 7:54 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:52 am to East Coast Band
so i guess my bronco will be delayed even more now
Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:54 am to chryso
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Meanwhile, in the past twelve months, the Big Three automakers — General Motors, Ford, and Stellantis — have authorized $5 billion in stock buybacks, effectively giving billions of dollars to shareholders that could have gone to auto workers.
On top of the stock buybacks, the Big Three have reported $21 billion in profits in just the first six months of 2023.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:14 am to Magnus
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so i guess my bronco will be delayed even more now
Nobody gives a frick about your bronco besides your boyfriend.
I hope they ship all the jobs overseas. Lazy fricks. They make better cars anyway.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:15 am to East Coast Band
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UAW goes on strike
One article said that they "cost" of each worker will end up being $150/hr after the strike. Tesla is running at $50/hr and I can only imagine what Mexico and China can offer.
Is the labor really that skilled? (Ignorant thoughts here) At this point isn't it just popping plastic pieces together? I'm sure it is hard, but I'm not sure about skilled at this point. Does the UAW represent workers all the way to the top? Or just the line workers?
Can you imagine the money the Big 3 are willing to put into robot advancement at this point? It is just a matter of time before there isn't a human hand that touches the production of these cars.
5 paid weeks off plus 17 vacation days on a 32 hour week??? Wow.
eta: And it sounds like all of this is pure theater. Both the union and the plants have a 60 day fund put aside for the strike. I guess this one was simply due.
This post was edited on 9/15/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:23 am to Kingpenm3
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:26 am to Aubie Spr96
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Setting up to be a potentially great Fall. UAW shuts down. Federal gov’t shuts down. Hopefully neither come back.
One of the best things ever posted on this board.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:28 am to East Coast Band
You want these jobs moved to Mexico? Because this is how you get jobs to move to Mexico
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:28 am to Kingpenm3
I really don’t think this has as much to do with the actual firms themselves… this one feels much more like a broad class warfare dynamic bubbling up to the surface. Which is to say, I believe the UAW’s complaints almost have more to do with overall macroeconomic anxieties than with individual grievances with these particular firms. Fain essentially said as much when he said (along the lines of), “we’re not going to wreck the economy… we more going to wreck the billionaire economy… the economy has already been wrecked for the rest of us”.
I’ll shamelessly link a previous post of mine to point y’all to the specific grievance he’s referencing here…
Long term corporate profit and income quintile trends
I’ll shamelessly link a previous post of mine to point y’all to the specific grievance he’s referencing here…
Long term corporate profit and income quintile trends
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:30 am to East Coast Band
First it was SAG, writers that are about to be replaced by AI. Now it's UAW, auto workers...that are about to be replaced by AI. Do they not know about leverage? Is that not taught in today's schools?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:34 am to Cajunhawk81
I hope all of these people are fired and the factories moved down south. fricking liberals.
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:34 am to East Coast Band
IDC
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:36 am to BananaManCan
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I hope all of these people are fired and the factories moved down south. fricking liberals.
didn't they try that about thirty years ago and everyone started bitching about not being able to buy products made in 'murca?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 8:37 am to Cajunhawk81
When it’s your turn to be replaced by AI, are you going to thank the firms making millions off the decision to fire you?
Do you not know about basic human psychology? Is that not something your parents taught you growing up?
People in the bottom half of our economy are getting scared and they’re getting pissed. And it shouldn’t surprise any of us when a scared, pissed off creature lashes out.
Do you not know about basic human psychology? Is that not something your parents taught you growing up?
People in the bottom half of our economy are getting scared and they’re getting pissed. And it shouldn’t surprise any of us when a scared, pissed off creature lashes out.
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