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re: Two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman attacked
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:53 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:53 am to upgrayedd
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Don't these companies register these ships in countries like Panama strictly for tax purposes or some other reason?
Mostly tax reasons but also the annual inspections are greatly less stringent and the rules far more relaxed.
The shame is the US allows this to go on in its EEZ.
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:55 am to kengel2
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Exactly my point. Dont wave the flag and pay someone else, then come cry when your ship gets torpedoed.
cmon man....
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:55 am to LNCHBOX
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Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:56 am to upgrayedd
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Don't these companies register these ships in countries like Panama strictly for tax purposes or some other reason?
The class restrictions are not as strict, so it's much cheaper to operate the vessels under those flags
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:56 am to Obtuse1
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That's an odd turn of phrase. Limpet mines are placed on hulls not hit. I wouldn't expect a journalist to make the distinction but someone displaying Dolphins???
I may have read the article wrong. Bouncing between this thread and doing actual work...
Either way the reports state the ships likely struck mines
Perhaps the Limpets were from the acts of sabotage of the ported ships in UAE last month
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:58 am to deltaland
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The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said if their oil can’t pass then nobodies can.
This is an interesting point. I feel as though our Navy is not patrolling that area as often as it once did. Due mostly to this admin telling Europe to get fricked on account of tariffs, and all other manner of issues (UN, Paying their fair share, being shits about spying, etc)
Our Navy is the only one that lets Europe enjoy freedom of the seas. I love seeing stuff like this happen because it reminds everyone just who cuts the cantaloupe on the global stage.
I also wouldn't put it past Trump to use this as a friendly reminder to Europe. "Do you guys really want to keep screwing with us? Because this is what happens when we dont flex our nuts, ok? We've got more oil than we need in our own country. You want to keep pinging us on tariffs, and taking russian oil, and siding with China on the trade war and such? Fine. Have at it. Just dont expect us to keep your shite safe."
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:58 am to Jim Rockford
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Over the last 50 years we've been in conflict with countries/actors that can't fight back in any meaningful way that would disrupt our economy or way of life. For all our fear of Al Quaeda, the WTC turned out to be their one best shot and they could never repeat it. Iran is a different barrel of fish. They are not on our par, but if the regime's existence was under threat, they could make things very interesting, both in their region and in ours.
Bingo
If we attack Iran there will likely be casualties inside the US, something we have not had to consider in a long time and anyone advocating for this needs to think long and hard about it.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 9:59 am to TheCaterpillar
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War time is different, especially when the opponent has themselves attacked civilian population centers like Germany had.
Do you honestly think we’re not at war with the Muslims? And have you ever heard of 9/11? That was a civilian population.
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I would not have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki the way we did
Oh so you’d have just sent in the military to mainland Japan? You ever hear of how many expected casualties we were going to suffer had we done that? Have you ever heard of the death toll expected for the Japanese people had we invaded?
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:00 am to AU4real35
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wouldn’t doubt they have nuclear capabilities
doubtful
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Iran really wanting to get this going,
What incentive does Iran have for starting a war with the US? On the other hand, Bolton has been trying to get the US to invade Iran long before he was in the Trump admin. Follow the money and the flagging polls.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:04 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I would say sinking two major transport vessels from countries not aggressive to Iran is a little more than a false flag
OP is saying Iran didn't carry out the attack...you know, a false flag attack.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:06 am to tgrbaitn08
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The class restrictions are not as strict, so it's much cheaper to operate the vessels under those flags
Class and Flag are two completely different things.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:08 am to MLCLyons
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is saying Iran didn't carry out the attack...you know, a false flag attack.
That's because iran would never, ever do something that causes terror. Never.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:09 am to Jim Rockford
quote:This.... is spot on sir.... as someone who basically went into the military in the 80s hoping to get a shot at Iran, they are a complex and worthy adversary. There are many reasons why we never hit the Iranian mainland - despite having many reasons to do so in the past.
They are not on our par, but if the regime's existence was under threat, they could make things very interesting, both in their region and in ours.
This post was edited on 6/13/19 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:09 am to Spaceman Spiff
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That's because iran would never, ever do something that causes terror. Never.
America wouldn’t either....
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:10 am to MLCLyons
quote:huh?
the flagging polls
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:10 am to Spaceman Spiff
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That's because iran would never, ever do something that causes terror. Never.
terror attacks and outright starting a war are 2 completely different things.
Saudi Arabia sure has their hand in a lot of terrorists attacks against the US but we just give them nuclear secrets and sell them shite tons of weapons.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:10 am to crewdepoo
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So you’re calling for wiping out all Muslims? That’s hitler shite right there.
No dude, Hitler wanted to kill the Jews. Completely different.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:11 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Do you honestly think we’re not at war with the Muslims? And have you ever heard of 9/11?
9/11 was not a military attack, it was a terrorist act designed to get the big stupid giant to react the very way he did and achieved its desired result.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:14 am to MLCLyons
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terror attacks and outright starting a war are 2 completely different things.
Not necessarily. Let's say Iran is feeling the crunch on their oil exports. So they resort to a terror tactic to try to disrupt the oil market enough to cause the US to lift sanctions. What better way? Of course they deny it. To do otherwise would be disastrous. But no, they wouldn't do that.
Posted on 6/13/19 at 10:15 am to cave canem
Well then what should we have done in response to thousands of our very own citizens being murdered?
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