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re: Two black guys show up to civil war reenactment as slaves trying to be a part of it lol
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:25 am to TrueTiger
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:25 am to TrueTiger
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was rare but there were instances of blacks fighting on the Confederate side.
It wasn’t that rare. A lot of wealthy plantation owners sent their slaves to fight on their behalf with the promise of freedom or some other inventive
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Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:27 am to crazy4lsu
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Says the guy who apparently doesn't understand the context of a woodcut and posts it anyway. Nicely done.
Says the guy who can't read history books from the Library of Congress
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:27 am to imjustafatkid
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We're supposed to concede that slavery was socially accepted in the past throughout most of human history, and was not inherently "racist." And then stop trying to
How is it inherently racist when thousands of black people owned thousands of black slaves not just during the War of Northern Aggression but also presently in Africa there are more slaves then America ever had.
The war was not a white vs black issue.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:28 am to theunknownknight
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Says the guy who can't read history books from the Library of Congress
You posted the entire book, instead of a quotation or something that would support your point. Do you understand how argumentation works?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:29 am to Byrdybyrd05
Those guys should work for SEC Shorts. Excellent trolling. 
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:30 am to crazy4lsu
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You posted the entire book, instead of a quotation or something that would support your point. Do you understand how argumentation works?
yes
By reading and responding
You said
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Give me the actual source documentation and I'll look it up.
So look it up retard
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:32 am to theunknownknight
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So look it up retard
Lol, do you know what that source documentation refers to? Because neither of the books you linked are that, you dim moron.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:32 am to crazy4lsu
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Because my initial database search finds nothing substantive.
That's a very fancy word for Google
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:34 am to Deactived
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That's a very fancy word for Google
Nah bitch, I'm on Academic Search Premier and JSTOR.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:39 am to SOSFAN
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How is it inherently racist when thousands of black people owned thousands of black slaves not just during the War of Northern Aggression but also presently in Africa there are more slaves then America ever had.
I used to grow up with the main debate over the Civil War being over if it was truly fought over slavery or not...now people are arguing that race wasn't really an issue in regards to slaves?
My man. Just read what the Confederate leaders or the prominent secessionist said about black people. They were 100% racist and even argued that slavery was morally a good thing because it supposedly civilized black people.
Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander Stephens and his "Cornerstone Speech" in 1861:
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[I]ts foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
...
Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders "is become the chief of the corner"—the real "corner-stone"—in our new edifice.
John C. Calhoun:
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Abolition and the Union cannot coexist. . . We of the South will not, cannot, surrender our institutions. To maintain the existing relations between the two races, inhabiting that section of the Union, is indispensable to the peace and happiness of both. It cannot be subverted without drenching the country in blood, and extirpating [removing or exiling] one or the other of the races. Be it good or bad, [slavery] has grown up with our society and institutions, and is so interwoven with them that to destroy it would be to destroy us as a people. But let me not be understood as admitting, even by implication, that the existing relations between the two races in the slaveholding states is an evil: far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be to both…I appeal to facts. Never before has the black race of central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually...
I hold that in the present state of civilization, where two races of different origin, and distinguished by color, and other physical differences, as well as intellectual, are brought together, the relation now existing in the slaveholding states between the two, is, instead of an evil, a good—a positive good.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:48 am to PetroBabich
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I follow your first sentence but the second makes no sense to me.
Everything today is couched in a "historical racism" argument that apparently requires "equity" to fix. We have to stop allowing that narrative to flourish. We must oppose it.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:54 am to crazy4lsu
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African tribal slavery was
Don't you mean "is?"
There is no high ground for cultures that still practice slavery.
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And chattel slavery practiced by Europeans, by their words, was definitely racist.
Europeans weren't invading Africa and forcing people into slavery. Africans were selling other Africans to them. White people weren't the only slaveholders.
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The sensibilities of the time stated that slavery was a unique evil too. Your lot just want to shut down discussion.
There's no discussion to be had. Slavery happened. That truth does not have any effect on anyone's ability to succeed in the US today. All people are far better off for being in the US than they would be anywhere else, no matter how their ancestors got here.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:55 am to theGarnetWay
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Just read what the Confederate leaders or the prominent secessionist said about black people. They were 100% racist and even argued that slavery was morally a good thing because it supposedly civilized black people.
Since you want to be factual why don't you post what Lincoln said about slavery and his plans to ship them all back to Africa. There obviously was racism in those days but slavery was more about business. How can it be racist when whites, Indians and blacks all owned slaves?
Again if all colors of race owned slaves wouldn't that point more to a necessity for farming, at that time, as opposed to racism.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:55 am to imjustafatkid
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Don't you mean "is?"
No. I'm referring to something very specific here.
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Europeans weren't invading Africa and forcing people into slavery. Africans were selling other Africans to them. White people weren't the only slaveholders.
Great. That still doesn't change what the Europeans wrote about the Africans, which by definition was racist.
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There's no discussion to be had. Slavery happened. That truth does not have any effect on anyone's ability to succeed in the US today. All people are far better off for being in the US than they would be anywhere else, no matter how their ancestors got here.
What the frick are you talking about? Stay on point.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:57 am to SOSFAN
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There obviously was racism in those days but slavery was more about business. How can it be racist when whites, Indians and blacks all owned slaves?
Why don't you stop asking who owned the slaves and start asking who were the slaves? By the time of the Civil War they were explicitly a single race and there was a reason for that...as provided in the quotes above.
Slavery of the "African race" was also explicitly mentioned in the Confederate Constitution.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:57 am to theGarnetWay
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race wasn't really an issue in regards to slaves?
I would argue that availability was a bigger factor. Africans were more than willing to capture each other to sell to the highest bidder.
Or do you think white people would have invaded Africa if not for this cheaply available supply for purchase?
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:58 am to imjustafatkid
I think there's some equity measures that are needed but the further we go away from Jim Crow and segregation the less people are going to be able to make racism an excuse for their own poor choices. However, historically speaking we aren't that far from Jim Crow.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:58 am to theGarnetWay
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By the time of the Civil War they were explicitly a single race and there was a reason for that...as provided in the quotes above.
Yes, and that reason is because the supply of slaves came from Africa.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:59 am to imjustafatkid
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I would argue that availability was a bigger factor. Africans were more than willing to capture each other to sell to the highest bidder.
Or do you think white people would have invaded Africa if not for this cheaply available supply for purchase?
Again, prominent Confederate and secessionist leaders of the day have explicitly given you your answer regarding what race and why. They are not my words or reasons.This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 11:02 am to crazy4lsu
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No. I'm referring to something very specific here.
Same. African slavery still exists. It never ended. Asian slavery also still exists. You cannot use past tense when discussing these things.
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Great. That still doesn't change what the Europeans wrote about the Africans, which by definition was racist.
I'm sure there were just as many Africans who were racist against Europeans, but that doesn't make slavery more racist. The main reason for the color of the skin of people who were slaves was the overwhelming supply of those people to be purchased. Whether or not someone doing the purchasing was racist or not has little effect on this fact. They could have been racist and simply purchased someone of a different race if this supply weren't available.
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What the frick are you talking about? Stay on point.
Exactly what I was asked about.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 11:04 am
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