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re: True or false: it's harder to get a job that covers basic living now

Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:45 pm to
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And employers don't want to train.


If I could find 10 people that want to work, show up on time and don't miss every other day, have reliable transportation, can pass a drug test, get a TWIC card and are willing to work with a little sweat involved as well as get along with others and take a little pride in their work product, I'll train them all day long and start pay at $25.00 an hour and a good chance of decent overtime on occasion.

Can't find anyone that fits the above bill and it hinders my growth tremendously.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
75296 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:46 pm to
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I think the old American Dream cliché plays a part in expectations coming out of college. We want to do "better than our parents".

For a lot of us, Mom and Dad did pretty damn well, and youngsters can't expect to jump straight into a house or lifestyle as nice as the one we grew up in. Secret is-- Mom and Dad probably struggled before getting there before Jr came around, too.





Absolute truth. Baby boomers didn't really start "making it" until they were in their 30's with 10 years of experience in their fields and started getting promotions etc.

It's happening for GenX'ers now.

Same thing will happen eventually with the millennials, but they are going to whine from now until then.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:50 pm to
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For a lot of us, Mom and Dad did pretty damn well, and youngsters can't expect to jump straight into a house or lifestyle as nice as the one we grew up in.


This is a major problem in this country right now that I completely agree with.
Posted by FunroePete
The Big Cheezy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 1:55 pm to
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Martini

Post that stinkys tomato tartar recipe boi
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:01 pm to
I completely agree with this and fully admit I'm guilty of that.

It took a while for me to come to that realization.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:06 pm to
You aren't paying enough if you can't get qualified applicants
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:12 pm to
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Without all those things, I'd probably lose my job and then definitely not be able to afford shelter, food, and water. 


You could get a different job
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:14 pm to
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You could get a different job


Well that's just stupid.

Sure, I could go work at McDonald's and not need those things for my work, but do you honestly think I'd be better off in that scenario?

The bottom line is a lot of jobs today require the ability to be mobile and work out of the office. It's not just me. Which makes all the things I named a requirement, not a luxury.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:17 pm to
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The bottom line is a lot of jobs today require the ability to be mobile and work out of the office


Can you list me an example of a job that requires you to be a mobile office but doesn't pay you enough to do so? The whole point of this thread is "it's harder to get a job that covers basic living"

Not, can you afford to do your current job and lifestyle
on minimum wage.
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
27902 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:23 pm to
Plenty of lower salary jobs, not minimum wage, still require a lot more than "food, water, and shelter".

Hell, a social worker doesn't get a hell of a great salary, but they would need a lot of not all of the things I listed.

You think a teacher can be as effective without internet in their home to help create lesson plans? And unless they live within walking distance to their school, they have to get to the school somehow. (yes I picked teachers because the OT loves to hate them)
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:25 pm to
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I'd be afraid to walk into whatever you can rent or buy there for only $588 a month.


I doubt the calculator takes culcha into it's calculations. You may get shot on the sidewalk, but you can technically live in a place that's $588 a month in BR. Just a quick Zillow search shows over a dozen places <$600.

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There is no health insurance you can buy for under $200 a month that doesn't have high deductibles and/or co-pays that would easily drive the "typical" expense above the $193.75 shown.


I'm not sure I know a person my age who is single that pays more than $200 a month for insurance.

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But the worst seems to be $8.17 per day for food.


bullshite. I can easily eat on $57 a week. I survived on less for a while when I was in college.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:30 pm to
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Not Engineering or any STEM related field.


Even in STEM. Engineers in training start a little higher in the low 40s. To be fair I'm mostly around civil engineers.

We could post an entry level position and easily get 100+ qualified candidates battling it out for a 34k/year position. I have friends with masters in STEM fields and 3-5 years of experience making less than 50k.

I guess my point is that the cost of living in Nashville has exploded in the last few years and salaries have remained relatively stagnant. Also, the idea that STEM pays well is a huge lie. Engineers get paid well.. everyone else.. not so much
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:32 pm to
With or without the degree in theatre/drama/art?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:36 pm to
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But nowadays, most people think "basic living" includes cable TV, a new car, 50in tv, hbo, PS4, etc...


We lived in matchbox apartments with small rabbit-ear TVs, drove shite cars saved our movie money so we could take our kids to the annual Disney movie.

Our only complaint was that we didn't choose better majors in college.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
75296 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:37 pm to
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I guess my point is that the cost of living in Nashville has exploded in the last few years and salaries have remained relatively stagnant


Obviously not, if home prices and rents keep going up.

Remember, home prices and rents are a function of supply and demand. If they keep going up, it's because there's enough people making enough money there to sustain it, or prices would fall.

Maybe your salary is stagnant, but there's plenty of other people whose salaries are doing well enough to support that increased cost of living in Nashville.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
80705 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:39 pm to
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And employers don't want to train.



Major corporations don't.

A company with 100-500 employees will hire someone with ability and find a place for them.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
75296 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:39 pm to
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We lived in matchbox apartments with small rabbit-ear TVs, drove shite cars saved our movie money so we could take our kids to the annual Disney movie.

Our only complaint was that we didn't choose better majors in college.


That reminds me... I haven't had HBO or Showtime since I moved out of my parents house in 1996. Millenials feel entitled to premium cable channels. How else are they supposed to talk about Game of Thrones with their internet friends?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
75296 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:45 pm to
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Also, the idea that STEM pays well is a huge lie. Engineers get paid well.. everyone else.. not so much


Even engineers are on the way out, being replaced by H1B visas with phd's in engineering who can solve a rubics cube with their mind, and make significantly less money than an American engineer, and never take sick days or vacations, never cut out of the office early or drag in late, and never miss a deadline for a report because they'll stay up all night making sure it gets done, always dressed in collared shirt and tie freshly pressed, never stroll in with blue jeans, never waste time bullshitting with other employees about a tv show, never engage in political arguments, and on and on and on.

White collar technical work is being outsourced more and more and more, it's really scary.

But you know what an Indian won't do? Roll up his sleeves and do real work, because it is beneath his caste.

This is where skilled trades win. Not on the bottom, but the foreman level and higher. Great living, can't be outsourced. No college debt. Same benefits and retirement plans as white collar folk.
Posted by Jimbo21165
Member since May 2017
354 posts
Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:48 pm to
I looked at my Social Security yearly statement......in 1980, I was a junior in high school, and made $5000.

Graduated college in 1986.....made $19,000 that first year.

Now, I'm making bank, wife does well, but after all expenses and taxes, it seems like I had more CASH on hand in '87 than I do today....

Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 2:51 pm to
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You think a teacher can be as effective without internet in their home to help create lesson plans?


They were for thousands of years without the internet, and they can go to any library and use it for free, and they probably have access at the school they can go early or stay late or do it on an off period, and basic shitty internet isnt that expensive.

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And unless they live within walking distance to their school, they have to get to the school somehow


Bus, bike, buy a car. You can buy a used car for a couple grand to go to an from work. You can get a credit card, pay for the car, and then make minimum monthly payments until it's paid off.
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