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re: Transcripts of Cockpit Voice Recorders During Plane Crashes
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:28 pm to Drew Orleans
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:28 pm to Drew Orleans
Unless your a pilot, I doubt your going to learn anything. Even if you are a pilot, I doubt you'll learn too much. Most of the pilots were in unusual
situations.
situations.
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:30 pm to athenslife101
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. Even if you are a pilot, I doubt you'll learn too much.
quite a bit is learned from reconstructing crashes
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:30 pm to White Roach
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but I stopped booking flights using MD-80s for about two years after that incident.
I believe they had been removed from any of our flights locally by then. That had to be a horrific experience for crew and passengers though.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
What about the flight that crashed in Metairie and took out half a neighborhood...is that on there? Not sure of when it happened, but my FIL talks about it every time we pass the airport
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:35 pm to Black
Pan Am 759, I think, that was a bad one
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:41 pm to athenslife101
Are you a pilot?
If not, what are you basing your assumptions off of?
If not, what are you basing your assumptions off of?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:42 pm to Drew Orleans
quote:
Are you a pilot?
If not, what are you basing your assumptions off of?
you're dealing with earthlings here Drew
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:44 pm to 777Tiger
Ha.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I believe all Alaska Air MD-80/88s were grounded for screw jack inspections shortly after the crash. I don't remember if it was Alaska Airlines or the NTSB that initiated that action.
The failure was caused by shitty maintenance. I wasn't entirely comfortable with the same dolts who neglected the Flt 261 aircraft inspecting all of the others.
The failure was caused by shitty maintenance. I wasn't entirely comfortable with the same dolts who neglected the Flt 261 aircraft inspecting all of the others.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:54 pm to Drew Orleans
I am not a pilot. I am involved in a fair amount of hands on training for several different professions. We focus on teaching them how to do it right, not showing them the 1000s of examples they can screw up and ruin their lives. I understand the benefit of teaching pilots so that they have understanding what happened in the crash and how that might be beneficial, but you can teach that. You don't need to show anyone the recordings where they're saying their last goodbyes. By that point, they've made their mistakes and their gone. Those recordings need to stay with the investigators.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:55 pm to 777Tiger
I just looked at the AA 1420 wiki page. Not only does Capt. Buschmann have his picture hanging in Chicago, his family was awarded $2,000,000 in a wrongful death lawsuit. Apparently, part of the ILS structure for an adjacent runway was in the floodplain of the Arkansas River. The support beams were non-frangible and the jury thought this caused/contributed to Buschmann's death.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:57 pm to Quidam65
Well actually the thing that set off the chain of events for flight 447 was 3 simultaneous failures of pitot tube readings caused by super cooled water freezing over the sensors. That's a super rare occurrence. Once that happened, everything spiraled out of control due primarily to human error and due to the computers failing one by one. It sounds like it was sheer chaos.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:03 pm to athenslife101
I'm pretty sure pilots spend most of their time learning to "do it right" as well. But when shite inevitably goes wrong in the air, keeping your cool, getting in your "right way to do it" checklists, and knowing what could happen will hopefully keep you from fricking up.
Understanding why doing it the right way is just as important as knowing what might happen if you do it incorrectly. That way when things snowball you know how to correct it and don't freak out when it happens.
Understanding why doing it the right way is just as important as knowing what might happen if you do it incorrectly. That way when things snowball you know how to correct it and don't freak out when it happens.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:13 pm to Drew Orleans
I agree. But I disagree that you have to have the audio to have an understanding of what happened. It can just as easily be summarized by what the pilot was thinking and doing and what his actions were for those educational purposes.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:18 pm to athenslife101
Yeah, but hearing the pilots callouts and seeing the state of the jet in real time gives you a far better understanding. You can read the script and times all you want but when you can listen instead while you watch the recreations, it's extremely beneficial.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:21 pm to windshieldman
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even possible for average Joe to land a plane with help of air traffic controllers?
I would say yes.
It can be done. Not easily, but you can bring them down on autopilot. Just have to tell the guy how to set it.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:22 pm to athenslife101
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Most of the pilots were in unusual
situations.
many of them made errors that caused the crashes.
Turning down the wrong runway. Departing from basic instructions (never pull back in a stall). Not following ATC, not keeping proper distance. Not shutting down at the first indication of trouble.
A lot of the ones I read were pilot error.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:26 pm to Napoleon
I was landing in Baton Rouge when over the radio I heard "I'm gonna crash". The air traffic controllers kept asking him to repeat. I'll never forget that
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:29 pm to Drew Orleans
I think it's negligible and I wouldn't want them being to caught up in these incidents. I wouldn't want them keeping these incidents in the back of their head. It's not safe to assume that just because one thing happened one time, that it will every time. I want them going off the evidence in front of them, not what they saw that one time. These incidents make great teaching points, but only up to a certain point. Then they must focus on themselves.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 1:39 pm to athenslife101
Pilots do all of that, they focus on the right thing and what's in front of them 99% of the time, but seeing things like this reminds them of what can happen, what checks to do in certain situations and how to survive in a world humans weren't supposed to master. The amount of shite that goes on during every flight and stuff that could go wrong is insane. Hearing these occurrences also helps pilots better rocognize emergency situations sooner and make a good decision now instead of a great decision later. Hearing people when they are becoming hypoxic will help you realize what could happen to you and recognize it early.
You never know when your first officer will be pulling back into a stall when you are pushing forward and as a result, fricks your world up, even though you knew exactly what to do.
I understand you train people for a living with stuff like this but the aviation world is infinitely different than anything else you lead your training in.
You never know when your first officer will be pulling back into a stall when you are pushing forward and as a result, fricks your world up, even though you knew exactly what to do.
I understand you train people for a living with stuff like this but the aviation world is infinitely different than anything else you lead your training in.
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