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re: Train Derailment in Pecos, TX
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:09 pm to Hogbit
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:09 pm to Hogbit
The train crew is dead because of the stupid truck driver.
The railroad I work for had an incident where a a guy hauling a d11 dozer moseyed up to a crossing and centered it about 30 seconds before train arrival. He was trying to raise the trailer on top of the crossing. Derailed the 2 locomotives on the head end and 16 loaded coal cars behind it. Dude was lucky he the crew survived.
The railroad I work for had an incident where a a guy hauling a d11 dozer moseyed up to a crossing and centered it about 30 seconds before train arrival. He was trying to raise the trailer on top of the crossing. Derailed the 2 locomotives on the head end and 16 loaded coal cars behind it. Dude was lucky he the crew survived.
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Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:09 pm to RedPop4
It was an all-around clusterfrick that got people killed.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:10 pm to Funky Tide 8
Damn. Physics is undefeated.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:18 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Why couldn’t the truck cross? Why was he just sitting
Trucks are so stupid
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:19 pm to LSUGrrrl
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Why couldn’t the truck cross? Why was he just sitting there?
Trailer bottomed out on the r/r crossing and big money says that driver wasn't experienced enough to know to not stop.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:24 pm to Funky Tide 8
The people standing next to the crossing as the train derails are retarded.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:27 pm to TXLSUCHE
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The tractor trailer bottomed out on the tracks.
What a fool. Grade/incline info is easy to research. Totally blew it, and now people are dead
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:28 pm to Funky Tide 8
Whoever approved that route is in big trouble.
And I can't believe that the driver or escorts didn't call the emergency number on the blue signs to warn the railroad. That's the very first thing you do if you get stuck at a crossing.
And I can't believe that the driver or escorts didn't call the emergency number on the blue signs to warn the railroad. That's the very first thing you do if you get stuck at a crossing.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:35 pm to The Hispanic Titanic
Someone is getting sued for a big pile of money and it isn't the railroad.
A load that large has to have a railroad supplied flagman protecting the crossing. He will contact the dispatcher to get track and time to prevent trains from going through while the move is made over the tracks.
Train was likely going 70MPH.
A load that large has to have a railroad supplied flagman protecting the crossing. He will contact the dispatcher to get track and time to prevent trains from going through while the move is made over the tracks.
Train was likely going 70MPH.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:53 pm to BuckyCheese
What I don't understand is, that stretch of tracks looks pretty straight. Why didn't the train at least slow down and lessen the blow? Is not hitting it at 70 going to do more damage than 60 or 50? Another question; is there not a speed limit through a town with crossings?
That clip is breath taking doing that much damage in such short time. Watching that locomotive hop that high on impact and derail that fast.
That clip is breath taking doing that much damage in such short time. Watching that locomotive hop that high on impact and derail that fast.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 9:56 pm to Nado Jenkins83
quote:Could have been you!
I've crossed those tracks a thousand times.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:38 pm to carguymatt
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What I don't understand is, that stretch of tracks looks pretty straight. Why didn't the train at least slow down and lessen the blow? Is not hitting it at 70 going to do more damage than 60 or 50? Another question; is there not a speed limit through a town with crossings?
We don't know how long the truck was on the tracks. May have been just a minute or less, probably less, before the video started.
Looking at google maps there is a slight curve coming into town which would restrict visibility of the crossing. Also, from a distance the crew likely couldn't tell it was some massively long thing and assumed it would get off the tracks like cars/trucks normally do.
An unwritten rule is never dump the air until you hit as they almost always make it out of the way.
At 70MPH the train isn't going to noticeably slow down before impact. Look how long the cars kept piling up well after the train was both in emergency and derailed.
And no, there isn't normally a speed restriction through towns. Railroads are interstate commerce on a private right of way. Local municipalities have little to no impact on them.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:42 pm to BuckyCheese
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And no, there isn't normally a speed restriction through towns. Railroads are interstate commerce on a private right of way. Local municipalities have little to no impact on them.
A freight train going 70mph through town is a bad idea. Federal regulation or not.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:49 pm to carguymatt
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Why didn't the train at least slow down and lessen the blow?
100% they were.
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is there not a speed limit through a town with crossings?
Not usually, no. Depends on the situation.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 10:51 pm to BuckyCheese
Trucking and escort company are both done for, if the State of Texas issued the oversized permit to go over that crossing then they'll be on the hook as well. That crossing is notorious for low boys getting hung up on it, there was a similar accident there a few years back. There is no requirement currently for a oversized permitted load like that to have a railroad flagman to provide track protection. UP has been requiring oil companies to pay for flagman at unprotected (no lights and arms) crossings going in and out of pad sites due to all of train / truck collisions in Texas. Freaking FRA made a post on their FB account today talking about their Crossing Safety Program, great timing dumbasses. This was a bad one, might be bad enough some changes are made like requiring flagmen protection for oversized loads at crossings. RIP to my fellow railroad brothers.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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A freight train going 70mph through town is a bad idea.
Stay off the tracks. Perfectly safe.
Same incident could have happened out in the country, They too fast there too?
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:04 pm to TxWadingFool
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There is no requirement currently for a oversized permitted load like that to have a railroad flagman to provide track protection.
Perhaps it is a state thing, or more likely, the transport companies up here know it is wise to have a flagman for something like that. It's not common at all, but I know I have seen a flagger out for something like this before.
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:20 pm to Funky Tide 8
JFC that is a coordinated screw up of epic proportions. Imagine the monetary impacts from the accident, lawsuits, delays in projects, cleanup and everything else associated with it. That transport company and anyone associated with that load are toast.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 12/19/24 at 11:33 pm to redstick13
Bent the hell out of whatever that tube is. And took out one end of a brick building.
I'm not finding clear photos of the locomotives but the cabs don't look terribly bad from what I can see. It's not clear from the photos which was the lead locomotive however as they are somewhat scattered.
There are big collision posts in the nose for extra protection in incidents like this which prevents the cab from being cleaned off. Kind of surprised the engineer and conductor were killed. Very unfortunate.
I'm not finding clear photos of the locomotives but the cabs don't look terribly bad from what I can see. It's not clear from the photos which was the lead locomotive however as they are somewhat scattered.
There are big collision posts in the nose for extra protection in incidents like this which prevents the cab from being cleaned off. Kind of surprised the engineer and conductor were killed. Very unfortunate.
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 12:20 am to Funky Tide 8
I've been to a Walmart in Pecos, TX. I was a new PETE spending 1 week a month in the fields of Loving Country. I showed up in regular clothes to ride around with operators to learn. One of the foreman told me I couldn't do it in regular clothes and needed FRs. I did it but was like FRs are understandably needed during drilling, but all I was doing was looking at producing wells and no drill sites. Had to drive like 45 minutes to Pecos walmart to get FRs.
Most field operators are a different bunch. One was like a 65 year old man that was head in operations. He had to be on clock 24/7 for his week. He would always get alerts at 3 AM that a compressor went down and he had to go check on it. He would brag to me about how he made more money than me. They have a disdain for petroleum engineers in the office.
Another one that was 350 lbs said he and his wife were the same weight. He said his wife was 400 lbs at one time and got a liposuction and gained the weight back in 1 year
. One other operator said they never once saw 350 lb guy brush his teeth in years of being out there. He wore a Dallas Cowboys hard hat. He also had a story that before he left for this hitch, that his wife threw a brick threw his front wind shield. hahaha. They drank beer in a completions trailor during coiled tubing drill outs. If CEO of company saw that they'd be fired.
They always frick with the new guys or very young engineers. They'd never frick with the senior pet engrs. We had a pretty hot gate guard at one of our completions sites. One of the operators told me I should ask for her number so I did. She gave it but didn't respond. I feel in hindsight she probably felt obligated because in a way I employed her. You can't trust any of those operators, he told my boss the VP of Ops. He was a cool dude and didn't care. He dipped during work in the office, but said if HR figured out I'd get in trouble.
Most field operators are a different bunch. One was like a 65 year old man that was head in operations. He had to be on clock 24/7 for his week. He would always get alerts at 3 AM that a compressor went down and he had to go check on it. He would brag to me about how he made more money than me. They have a disdain for petroleum engineers in the office.
Another one that was 350 lbs said he and his wife were the same weight. He said his wife was 400 lbs at one time and got a liposuction and gained the weight back in 1 year
. One other operator said they never once saw 350 lb guy brush his teeth in years of being out there. He wore a Dallas Cowboys hard hat. He also had a story that before he left for this hitch, that his wife threw a brick threw his front wind shield. hahaha. They drank beer in a completions trailor during coiled tubing drill outs. If CEO of company saw that they'd be fired. They always frick with the new guys or very young engineers. They'd never frick with the senior pet engrs. We had a pretty hot gate guard at one of our completions sites. One of the operators told me I should ask for her number so I did. She gave it but didn't respond. I feel in hindsight she probably felt obligated because in a way I employed her. You can't trust any of those operators, he told my boss the VP of Ops. He was a cool dude and didn't care. He dipped during work in the office, but said if HR figured out I'd get in trouble.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 12:27 am
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