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re: Toilet thought of the day: Have politics always been this divisive?
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This doesn't cover the spectrum today though. It did 20 years ago, but not today. You still have social cons and progressives who are the opposite side of the same coin.
Oh, I agree. But to say conservative equals traditional is completely missing the boat.
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:23 am to GusMcRae
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But to say conservative equals traditional is completely missing the boat.
I agree, because there are two kinds of conservatism. Social and economic.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
He also was the first president to have contact with aliens.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:26 am to 13SaintTiger
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Conservative = small government/states rights That’s the view of libertarians. The foundational definition of conservative is quote: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. And your definition of conservative is quite contrary, since modern day conservatives love government when it’s convenient. See marijuana, big pharma, etc.
You can stop trying to tell me what conservatism is, because I’ve studied it for 30 years:
Smaller taxes
Less regulation
Strong defense
States rights over federal rights
Christian moral position
Less government spending
Strict originalist interpretation of Constitution
Free markets
Personal responsibility
Yes, politicians who claim to be conservatives fail more often than not in upholding these principles.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:31 am to TigerstuckinMS
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Yeah. We also used to have Congressmen beat each other with canes and fricking DUEL.
We need to go back to those days. Would make CSPAN the most watched channel EVER.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:33 am to Salmon
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and then on TV you have William Buckley calling Gore Vidal a queer and telling him that he was going to "sock him in the face" during a political debate
It's funny that you mention that.
I watched those debates a few years ago, and I was really surprised at how similar it all sounded.
I would have thought a debate in the 60's would be much different than a debate today, but it really wasn't.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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agree, because there are two kinds of conservatism. Social and economic.
Yes, and I am an economic conservative. Probably closer to libertarians, because I don’t give 2 shits what people do behind closed doors.
I wasn’t planning on saying this much, I was just trying to educate the other dimwit, who was somehow saying liberal means “non-traditional” or equivalent nonsense.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 12:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No freaking way.
You had the turmoil of the 60's but I am positive we've surpassed that. Everything is magnified today.
People who say this don't have a good understanding or American history. While this is one of the worst eras in modern times, there are many worse eras in our history. Go look back at the time of Adams vs Jefferson and you'll see some crazy shite. It's pretty much the theme for most of our histroy. The immediate post-Civil War period make our times pale in comparison.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 12:38 pm to Sayre
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Go look back at the time of Adams vs Jefferson and you'll see some crazy shite. It's pretty much the theme for most of our histroy. The immediate post-Civil War period make our times pale in comparison.
The Civil War times is the only time I can think of that rivaled today when it comes to civilian unrest and division.
Again, the 60's were rough but didn't affect the average Joe that much unless you were draft eligible. It's impossible to escape the divisiveness today. Many people didn't have access to media outside of newspapers in much of the 60's.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 11/9/18 at 3:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Go look back at the time of Adams vs Jefferson and you'll see some crazy shite. It's pretty much the theme for most of our histroy. The immediate post-Civil War period make our times pale in comparison.
The Civil War times is the only time I can think of that rivaled today when it comes to civilian unrest and division.
Again, the 60's were rough but didn't affect the average Joe that much unless you were draft eligible. It's impossible to escape the divisiveness today. Many people didn't have access to media outside of newspapers in much of the 60's.
Jesus, dude, this is just way off.
There were riots with billions of dollars worth of property damage, whole swaths of large cities completely abandoned, dozens of people killed, high profile political assassination after high profile political assassination, the fricking National Guard called in several times all over the country, out of control rioting at a national party convention, and on and on. And that's on top of everything related to Vietnam. There were hundreds of political terrorist incidents annually well into the 1970's.
Today doesn't even register compared to that time. Just within the past century, 1919-1920, the early 1930's, and 1968 were all way worse than now.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 3:22 pm
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