re: Tipping is out of control in America - can we abolish it?

I can't understand why people get so bent out of shape over this.

You can't afford a couple extra bucks for the guy who works 45 hours a week delivering couches and brought yours into your house for you?

Don't want to tip? Get a truck and get the couch yourself. Otherwise shut up you penny pinching elitist dipshit

To be fair, it is kinda silly to expect a tip from a consumer when you gave them a significant delivery charge that is often tiered to the level of service provided.

And yes, I was well aware you were referring to a post tip scenario.

"My question is, would restaurants charge the same price for togo orders when it should be cheaper since they don't have to provide a worker to wait on you?"

No.

I anticipate pricing to be highly variable and considered thing like any business, not just 20% added to everything.

You obviously not only want tipping to be depressed, but would like to have built in ways for you evade the sunk costs inherent in it even after the fact.

Essentially what pisses you off apparently isn't the tip. It's the negative stigma of not tipping.

News flash, you are paying for overhead now for services you don't recieve when you buy curbside to go regardless of if you stiff the tip.

Why would it be any different in a model where servers are treated the same as the already present fixed overhead?

But I find it funny that you act like this is a new concept that no one knew about until you came along with YOUR links discussing the ramifications of the idea and any dismissal is due to ignorance.

When in reality, you obviously didn't think about it from a business perspective.

Just the perspective of a stingy consumer.

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you gave them a significant delivery charge that is often tiered to the level of service provided.

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As someone who has worked both at a pizza restaurant and delivery warehouse, the delivery charge has nothing at all to do with the service and the driver doesn't get any of it

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Essentially what pisses you off apparently isn't the tip. It's the negative stigma of not tipping.

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That's the most obvious part of this whole discussion.

It's obvious from his questions about when to tip to his examples of waitstaff talking bad about non tippers that his real problem is feeling cheap when he knows should be tipping.

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Unlike the OP, tipping doesn't bother me because I have no problem realizing when I should tip

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This. The only people I know that worry about tipping have very low IQs.

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It's obvious from his questions about when to tip to his examples of waitstaff talking bad about non tippers that his real problem is feeling cheap when he knows should be tipping.

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Ah. When logic fails, resort to ad hominem attacks.

The only butt hurt people on this board are the ones who are for the status quo. Americans in general are scared of change and it really shows in this thread. Like I said, I've experienced cultures where tipping isn't normal and they got along just fine. It's not like Belgium is some culinary wasteland or that their service industry isn't adequately compensated.

The whole process of tipping is mostly bullshite and has very little to do with performance (I've provided evidence of this fact). Furthermore, it's gone beyond just people who actually provide you personal service and is becoming a means by which to subsidize the employer's low pay for menial tasks. "Oh, we only pay this employee 3 bucks an hour so you better tip them or else their family starves."

I do tip the togo people because I know it is a cultural norm and in most cases I am a repeat customer so I don't want to fall in bad graces with the folks who make my food. Rule #1 is to never frick with the people who make your food.

As far as getting lambasted on this board for not tipping the guy who delivered a piece of furniture. Why do I have to tip somebody for doing their job? Should I tip the mail lady, too? frick, was I supposed to tip the plumber, too?

The lack of consistency in tipping is what irks me. Outside of sit-down restaurant service, there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it. Sometimes it seems like a way for employers to take advantage of employees. I certainly do not want people to make less money. I'd just prefer to just have the costs built in to goods and services.

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When logic fails, resort to ad hominem attacks.

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I'm sorry to explain to you that your argument is not so much logical as it is change for change sake.
You keep saying in your wide travels that you have found these utopian societies that don't tip.
Here's the question that you keep begging: why is tipping something that needs to be changed as it has served this society very well.
Your argument is that it has "gotten out of control". What does that mean? It seems from your post that it's out of control because people you don't consider deserving of a tip in some ways beg for a tip.

The news flash is that for people like me, this does not constitute an out of control system. I have no problem discerning a legitimate tipping situation from a non legitimate situation.

Hence my explanation for your entire desire to change the tipping system. You either have a serious problem knowing when to tip or you have a problem just knowing you may be directly subsidising someone's income. I have a feeling it's a bit of both as your questions and subsequent posts have both asked about tipping situations and suggested a system where the employer rather than the customer subsidise the employee's income. The main benefit of The tipping system is that it does allow the consumer some control over the price of a service.
Like I said, this all leads me to believe that you have a problem knowing when to tip.

An ad hominem attack it was not.