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re: Three LSU Phi Mu's die in helicopter crash with billionaire Chris Cline
Posted on 7/6/19 at 9:38 pm to wahoocs
Posted on 7/6/19 at 9:38 pm to wahoocs
No, I think that's correct based on what the other board was saying. That, even for experienced pilots, it's risky to fly at night over the sea w no horizon.
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Posted on 7/6/19 at 9:56 pm to RunningBlake
It’s all instruments at that point, right? And ignoring your instincts?
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:06 pm to Hammertime
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After taking both of those classes, I made the decision that my window is getting knocked out as soon as I know we're going down. frick waiting, I'm trying to not drown
Probably better to leave it in until you actually hit the water, that way the cabin won’t fill up as quickly. It’s really not that bad in a training scenario, it’s all about keeping calm and remembering the steps.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:30 pm to TigersHuskers
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Liberal trash on Twitter are celebrating Clines death because hes a rich coal executive Kinda gross.
Why am I not surprised.
You have money and you work hard so I hate you. You made good choices in life so I hate you.
Orange man bad.
Those are the thoughts that go through these idiots’ minds everyday.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:35 pm to wahoocs
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I’m really not trying to be argumentative, but a heli flight like that is maybe routine for military or Coast Guard, but highly risky under those circumstances, or am I just not very educated on the routine middle of the night over open ocean commutes taking place?
When you're a billionaire there's no one to tell you no.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:39 pm to RabidTiger
Yep, and that will end up being the story on this.
Posted on 7/6/19 at 10:57 pm to tgrbaitn08
Coast Guard only rows in the event of medical emergency or danger. Your article proves you are wrong. Cost guard gave them tow companies. The tow companies bill, not the Coast Guard. Read your shite man
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:36 am to Corkfather
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Probably better to leave it in until you actually hit the water, that way the cabin won’t fill up as quickly. It’s really not that bad in a training scenario, it’s all about keeping calm and remembering the steps.
I don't think anyone on board even had a chance to escape. Divers said everyone had their seatbelts on and it didn't look like anyone was trying to escape. Probably hit with enough force to knock everyone out. Sadly, it may have been better that way.
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Heartbroken’ July 6, 2019 Jasper Ward Mathien McIntosh watched his boss’ helicopter take off from Big Grand Cay Thursday morning and then saw it disappear and crash. American billionaire Chris Cline, along with six other people, were killed after the helicopter they were on crashed two miles off Grand Cay. Cline is the owner of Big Grand Cay. “The night before, me and my brother-in-law, we watched the chopper come in,” McIntosh told The Guardian yesterday. “We watched it land and in about half an hour it [went] back up. “As it [went] back up, it didn’t get very high. It went up and in about five minutes it just ‘boop’. “The light just disappeared and it was a loud crash. It was a loud bang in the water.” He said, “We jumped in our boats and we went searching. This was about 2:30 a.m. and we went searching from about 2 a.m. to 4 a.m., almost 5 a.m., the next day. “Where it was so dark, we really couldn’t see anything because it was too dark so we called back to the island and they said, ‘No, no, no. The chopper is back in the states.’ So, I said ok, fine.” McIntosh said he thought that was it. But police said around 2 p.m. on Thursday, Cline’s helicopter was reported missing. Delvin Major, chief investigator at the Air Accident Investigation Department, said the helicopter had departed Grand Cay, Abaco, and was en route to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, when it crashed. Search and rescue efforts began after the aircraft was reported “overdue” by authorities, according to Major. McIntosh said he then went to Big Grand Cay to break the news to Cline’s employees. Then he set out with officials to find the chopper. When officials finally located the crash site, McIntosh said he was “heartbroken”. “Everybody just was in a daze. Man, it was just tears, you know? It was just tears.” He was also present when divers pulled Cline’s body out of the water. McIntosh struggled to recount the discovery. “Mr. Cline actually…was one of the first ones that came out,” he said, choking back tears. “…Just then, a kid came out. It was four kids and they were about 19 to 21 years of age, kids in their prime. “They had just graduated from college and came home to have fun and then boom; here today and gone tomorrow. It’s life.” McGarrett Russell, a native of Abaco, said he and his son went out to sea with other members of the search and rescue team. He said they stumbled across an area that “looked suspicious in the water”. “[My son] put on his dive gears and he got into the water to identify what the object was,” Russell said. “He went down there and when he [came] up, he told us what he saw and it was sad. He said he saw persons onboard. They all had on their seat belt, apparently intact.” He added, “My son said he had to take the pilot’s hand away from the controllers. It was very hard because it was stiff [but] he said everybody was intact as if no one was even trying to loosen their seat belt and the doors [were] off.”
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:38 am
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:55 am to WaWaWeeWa
They hit hard
Never had a chance
Ripped the tail boom and the rotors off
RIP
Never had a chance
Ripped the tail boom and the rotors off
RIP
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:57 am to WaWaWeeWa
It seems that at least whatever happened they hit the water instantaneously with no warning killing them instantly or at least knocking them where they likely never knew it happened... I guess there's some mercy in that.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:59 am
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:58 am to wallowinit
Probably hit nose down and somersaulted
Hopefully knocked them all out
Can’t imagine their terror if they were conscious
Hopefully knocked them all out
Can’t imagine their terror if they were conscious
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:29 am to Hammertime
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I said it earlier in the thread, but the slowest part of the whole thing for me was getting the 4 point harness buckled and tightened. There's no way you can hurry up and do that properly.
WTF are you talking about?
You don't wait until an emergency occurs to strap yourself into an aircraft. That should be done before take-off.
Some people may not find it comfortable, but there is definitely a reason for it.
As for quickly exiting the harness, it can be done quite easily "in the dark", even while inverted.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:06 am to JudgeHolden
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and he wasn’t going to leave three twenty- somethings that he barely knew at his mansion.
Why wouldn’t he leave them there? They’re adults and one of them traveled regularly with them.
They may have wanted to be with their friend if she was having an emergency
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 7:09 am
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:46 am to SOLA
Dang that helicopter is wrecked from hitting hard, no way people make it out of that even with training I don’t think. I’d be curious how a helicopter would hit that hard so soon after take off? Aren’t helicopters fairly easy to maintain altitude with? I mean not like an airplane where if you can’t see the horizon you could pitch down, but a helicopter you can maintain altitude right? Obviously instruments are there for a reason too. They had 2 pilots also, which seems like pilot error is more unlikely.
Makes more sense that it was Clines daughter. Very sad. Seems likely this was an error of some sort due to hurrying due to the medical condition.
Makes more sense that it was Clines daughter. Very sad. Seems likely this was an error of some sort due to hurrying due to the medical condition.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:50 am to SOLA
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Why wouldn’t he leave them there? They’re adults and one of them traveled regularly with them.
They may have wanted to be with their friend if she was having an emergency
Pure speculation but I wouldn’t doubt this was alcohol or drug related. Too much to drink, dehydrated, drugs, etc. and Cline was pissed so he made them all come with or otherwise cut the trip short. Multiple 22 year olds leaving at 2am that is the most likely scenario imo. But again purely speculation and not saying they did something wrong could have just been having too much fun.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 7:54 am to baldona
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Aren’t helicopters fairly easy to maintain altitude with?
Nighttime over water is VERY dangerous unless you are very current on instrument flight. No horizon or bearings at all. It is the hardest instrument flight you’ll do.
These pilots probably didn’t do it much. And they’d just been awakened in the middle of the night in an emergency situation.
All this means it is not at all implausible that they flew it into the water at high speed.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 8:12 am to JudgeHolden
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Nighttime over water is VERY dangerous unless you are very current on instrument flight. No horizon or bearings at all. It is the hardest instrument flight you’ll do.
Why is that? Honestly asking. Again, I thought that helicopters maintain altitude unless the pilots change it? Not like an airplane? What altitude would that helicopter fly at? 1000 ft? Seems like at whatever speed it flies it wouldn’t that easy to simply run into the water in a helicopter like it would be a plane?
Posted on 7/7/19 at 8:20 am to JudgeHolden
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Nighttime over water is VERY dangerous unless you are very current on instrument flight. No horizon or bearings at all. It is the hardest instrument flight you’ll do.
Also a new moon. So it was absolute darkness.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 8:29 am to baldona
It’s called CFIT, controlled flight into terrain.
I only few rotary once. I was rested and it was a calm, bright day.
It felt like I was trying to balance an upright baseball bat on my palm. While on ice skates. And drunk. Rotary is just a different ball game.
Now imagine doing it at 2 am just waking up with zero visual reference and the boss’s sick kid in the back.
Even very experienced rotary baws are saying it’s a bitch unless you do it often.
I only few rotary once. I was rested and it was a calm, bright day.
It felt like I was trying to balance an upright baseball bat on my palm. While on ice skates. And drunk. Rotary is just a different ball game.
Now imagine doing it at 2 am just waking up with zero visual reference and the boss’s sick kid in the back.
Even very experienced rotary baws are saying it’s a bitch unless you do it often.
Posted on 7/7/19 at 9:50 am to JudgeHolden
Apparently the pilots flew directly in from Ft Lauderdale that night, picked everyone up and immediately took off. So whatever Kameron Cline was suffering from was bad enough to fly a helicopter over in the middle of the night and fly back to FLA.
There is an eye witness account that says they watched it land, watched it take off, it didn’t get much altitude and they heard a loud BOP and the lights disappeared
So drunk pilots, sleepy pilots, pilot ratings, etc appear to be incorrect
My guess is a simple pilot error at low altitude in total darkness or a engine/transmission failure.
There is an eye witness account that says they watched it land, watched it take off, it didn’t get much altitude and they heard a loud BOP and the lights disappeared
So drunk pilots, sleepy pilots, pilot ratings, etc appear to be incorrect
My guess is a simple pilot error at low altitude in total darkness or a engine/transmission failure.
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