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re: This is why Black Americans dont trust the police

Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by Shugg84
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:13 pm to
Let me put it to you another way.

A man can have a female friend and still be misogynistic.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154593 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:17 pm to
Well wouldn't you lose that female friend if that were the case?

I wouldn't be friends with a woman that couldn't admit that females are terrible divers.



















I kid, I kid
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:20 pm to
You sound pretty shady to me.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:25 pm to
Yes I can magically fix an inherently broken system with the stroke of my department issued pen.. Never mind the examples I've shown why fighting the system from within fails.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
20527 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:25 pm to
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If republicans pandered to black and hispanics


That is the only part I didn't like and it not because I don't think the Republicans should not reach out to other groups it because I don't think that either party shouldn't pander to any certain group.

They should reach out and try and connect to more people, but the party should always do what is best for Americans first.

The rest you are spot on.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:27 pm to
to be fair Dejuan is a hysterical name,, and Im a fake mexican so my opinion matters
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:29 pm to
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Yes I can magically fix an inherently broken system with the stroke of my department issued pen.. Never mind the examples I've shown why fighting the system from within fails.


So your solution is what? Combat in the streets?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:30 pm to
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A man can have a female friend and still be misogynistic.



Oh sure man. Anyone who doesn't walk the line on far left social issues is a homophobic, mysogenic racist. It's already accepted.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:31 pm to
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I agree, I don't like Hillary either

I AGREE 1000% times a million.

My disgust with my people in regards to voting history is at an all time high.


Hillary scares the absolute frick out of me. As a vet, just seeing what she's been able to sweep under the rug from an OPSEC standpoint alone is appalling.

As a conservative, this election for me is more about keeping her out than getting Trump in. He wasn't my first choice. I actually don't believe he's a true conservative, and that worries me. I do like his candor and his economic/immigration policies/stances, but that's about it.

That's the macro level.

On the micro, I just want to have my political views respected. I've lost count of the number of conversations I've had with people (not just black people, either), who automatically assume I'm liberal because of the color of my skin. We (black people) have made this political bed. Some aspects of it necessarily, some not. But we have to realize that it's not reconstruction anymore. It's not the 1960s anymore. Black people aren't a homogenous community anymore. There is no "black community," not in an overarching sense. Time to leave the groupthink behind. It had its time and served its purpose, but it's hurting us now in so many ways.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:33 pm to
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quote:


A man can have a female friend and still be misogynistic.



Oh sure man. Anyone who doesn't walk the line on far left social issues is a homophobic, mysogenic racist. It's already accepted.


As we've all learned in this thread, racism, sexism, etc are all subjective terms that get applied by those on the left when it's convenient for them. They've done a masterful job of owning language and using it as a weapon to advance their agendas.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:34 pm to
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So your solution is what? Combat in the streets?



That's the biggest issue I have with these "activists", they don't want solutions, they want recognition. And the pragmatic parts of their movement get drowned out by the children who only want to be heard with nothing to say.

All they seem to want is to say the word privilege and get people fired.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:36 pm to
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As we've all learned in this thread, racism, sexism, etc are all subjective terms that get applied by those on the left when it's convenient for them


No on two points. One, I refuse to concede language to idiots who try to change it to their agenda. Two, as a liberal hippie douchebag, don't group us in with this bullshite. We can discuss tax plans or foreign policy like adults if we disagree, but this isn't politics, it's tribalism.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:37 pm to
quote:



That's the biggest issue I have with these "activists", they don't want solutions, they want recognition. And the pragmatic parts of their movement get drowned out by the children's who only want to be heard with nothing to say.

All they seem to want is to say the word privilege and get people fired.


What I've seen from most modern movements is exactly what you've described. It's about making a name for themselves and pissing people off.

If you look at BLM, it has little to do with solving problems and more to do with revenge and being in the limelight to show that they hold "power" over the authorities.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:38 pm to
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As we've all learned in this thread, racism, sexism, etc are all subjective terms that get applied by those on the left when it's convenient for them. They've done a masterful job of owning language and using it as a weapon to advance their agendas.



Yep, I've seem a creative definition of racism in this very thread. It's meaningless terminology though, they're rendering it useless.

Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:39 pm to
Agreed, but there was a portion of BLM about a year ago that was advocating realistic policy changes, Project Zero I think was the name. It was mostly doable and could have led to decent discussions about policing and prison. But they got drowned out by the jackasses.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138107 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:41 pm to
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No on two points. One, I refuse to concede language to idiots who try to change it to their agenda. Two, as a liberal hippie douchebag, don't group us in with this bullshite. We can discuss tax plans or foreign policy like adults if we disagree, but this isn't politics, it's tribalism.

Whether you choose to concede language or not doesn't matter. It's being used independent of your objections. It's pretty clear that most media outlets (which, let's face it, are in the left's camp) typically run with the left's talking points and ever evolving definitions and terms. I mean, ABC, coined the term "white Hispanic" to paint the Zimmerman case as a black/white race war.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:41 pm to
How about the cops that commit crimes be actually convicted of said crimes instead of minimal punishment. State governments can quit forcing the taxpayers to pay lawsuits and court fees for police, the feds could end the war on drugs, feds could ban military grade equipment being used by PDs, enact legislation that causes the loss of benefits if cops fail to report misconduct or commit crimes in uniform, both at the state/federal levels. The government could relinquish their monopoly on police services and allow private enterprise or even community patrols to police their own neighborhoods.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 4:43 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138107 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:44 pm to
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Agreed, but there was a portion of BLM about a year ago that was advocating realistic policy changes, Project Zero I think was the name. It was mostly doable and could have led to decent discussions about policing and pr


There are some fairly straightforward solutions that are effective. As Adam Carolla says, "family and education". The only problem is that saying "make sure your kids are doing their homework" isn't as sexy as "let's burn this bitch down!".
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:45 pm to
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How about the cops that commit crimes be actually convicted of said crimes instead of minimal punishment. State governments can quit forcing the taxpayers to pay lawsuits and court fees for police, the feds could end the war on drugs, feds could ban military grade equipment being used by PDs, enact legislation that causes the loss of benefits if cops fail to report misconduct or commit crimes in uniform, both at the state/federal levels. The government could relinquish their monopoly on police services and allow private enterprise or even community patrols to police their own neighborhoods.



This is how you start a constructive conversation. We can discuss the merits of each of these proposals objectively and nobody gets to rely on emotional pleas that the other side "can't understand".

Next time lead with this and skip the ten pages of race baiting bullshite.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296383 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:45 pm to
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If you look at BLM, it has little to do with solving problems and more to do with revenge



I think it's as much to do with feminism and LGBTQRLMOP issues now as it does race.
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