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re: Thinkin about becoming an ordained minister. Need advice.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:20 pm to mattytiger123
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:20 pm to mattytiger123
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most every head pastor has at least an M.Div.
Yea but pastors and ministers aren't the same thing. Anyways, there are more than likely more "ministers" who do not hold a graduate degree than there are that do hold one.
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:21 pm to tigeruniverse
Tiger Universe bringing out the B.16
Excellent work, excellent work.
Excellent work, excellent work.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:23 pm to The First Cut
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I'm sorry that you're finding there's more to this than what you thought.
I'm certainly not. You made an all-encompassing definitive statement earlier and had to backtrack. Don't get pissy now that someone called you on it. Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:24 pm to airfernando
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So you want to go from beginner to master overnight?
No. When I say new found, I mean 2 years. 2 years of prayer, leadership in my church, reading the Bible, studying it academically, etc.
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You need a lot more than a degree to be a true spiritual leader
Correct. A Theological education can help, though.
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More importantly, you need to seek God's guidance and not the guidance of the OT Lounge.
Why not both, placing one above the other?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:25 pm to mattytiger123
You mentioned "Christ's church" earlier. Which one is that?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:25 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Yea but pastors and ministers aren't the same thing. Anyways, there are more than likely more "ministers" who do not hold a graduate degree than there are that do hold one.
Negative, priests, ministers, pastors, and rabbis differ only by the denominations that they serve. Its only a matter of semantics.
I know a lot of people who call themselves engineers but don't have an engineering degree. That shouldn't disparage any real engineers. The same would hold true here.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:26 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I'm certainly not. You made an all-encompassing definitive statement earlier and had to backtrack. Don't get pissy now that someone called you on it.
Are you really that dim. The only one that made an all-encompassing statement is you. You called bullshite on ordained ministers requiring a masters.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:27 pm to mattytiger123
my dad is an ordained decon in the catholic church. he has a juris doctorate. he studied for 6 years. says its the best decision he's made, and he absolutely loves teaching about christ.
he doesnt get any money, and doesnt have a personal jet
he doesnt get any money, and doesnt have a personal jet
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:35 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You mentioned "Christ's church" earlier. Which one is that?
Not an individual governing body.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:35 pm to The First Cut
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Are you really that dim.
No, but you certainly seem to be.
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The only one that made an all-encompassing statement is you.
No, I didn't.
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You called bullshite on ordained ministers requiring a masters.
Yes, because it is. You see, you did it again.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:36 pm to The First Cut
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Here we go again. How does science preclude faith?
You can cry "Genesis is metaphorical" all you want, but the fact is that it wasn't written metaphorically. People try to use that excuse since science has disproven so much of the major stuff in Genesis (please don't play stupid and make me explain this further). First of all, it wouldn't have so many inaccuracies if it were truly the "word of God" and not simply shite made up and written by men. You can not separate the origins/Adam & Eve story from the rest of the Old Testament (or New). Genesis gives an extensive genealogy of all the major Old Testament "characters," and the New Testament completes the family of Jesus tracing back to those same characters. This outright demonstrates that the Old Testament, and specifically Genesis, were intended as literal truth. If not, the entire Old Testament falls apart - straight on through to the New.
If Genesis/Adam and Eve were meant to be metaphorical, how do you explain this? It's simply a convenient excuse for apologists to use in light of everything science has proven false.
And I won't even mention how every major aspect of Jesus' life and credentials were stolen from other "gods" before him...that's another argument.
Science and religion are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:38 pm to mattytiger123
Make sure it is the right denomination. Many false prophets out there.
I often wonder how those will be viewed in the after life.
I often wonder how those will be viewed in the after life.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 1:40 pm to Happygilmore
I envy your dad. It is a selfless dedication to Christ and His Church. 
Posted on 4/25/16 at 2:02 pm to 911Moto
Can any one of you answer my question?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:39 pm to 911Moto
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People try to use that excuse since science has disproven so much of the major stuff in Genesis
Like...what?
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First of all, it wouldn't have so many inaccuracies if it were truly the "word of God" and not simply shite made up and written by men.
Like...what?
Literally nothing in your post even sniffed of anything scientific. How is someone supposed to counter your vague assertions?
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Mo Jeaux
You really are dim. Nothing changed in any of my posts. You literally cannot grasp that only major denominations ordain their ministers and that they require masters degrees for that. I cannot and will not speak of ministers in "one-off" congregations. But if you still can't understand that then
, you win.Posted on 4/25/16 at 4:03 pm to The First Cut
C'mon 911, I'm still looking at you to provide something scientific.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 5:23 pm to 911Moto
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It's simply a convenient excuse for apologists to use in light of everything science has proven false.
Church fathers were interpreting Genesis non-literally before modern science existed, so you cannot claim the allegorizing Genesis is a retreat in the face of scientific discovery. Your entire argument falls a part with that simple fact. Christianity does not fall apart because the genealogy is inaccurate or incomplete, it simply means that the bible is not inerrant.
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And I won't even mention how every major aspect of Jesus' life and credentials were stolen from other "gods" before him...that's another argument.
Please provide the gods, and the scholarly source from which you've gotten your information.
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Science and religion are, in fact, mutually exclusive.
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