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re: There should be little sympathy for college graduates struggling to earn a livable wage

Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:46 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:46 am to
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if I left my current job, I wouldn't have to apply for one today either.


when I was approaching retirement a few years back I was inundated with unsolicited offers, good, tempting offers, my employer even offered up a sweet cushy position and asked me to stay
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11855 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:48 am to
College teaches you to problem solve. If problem solving includes looking it up on YouTube what is the problem? If something comes up in real life, I can google it or look it up on YouTube.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33770 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:48 am to
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when I was approaching retirement a few years back I was inundated with unsolicited offers, good, tempting offers, my employer even offered up a sweet cushy position and asked me to stay


Yep, same.

Today's workforce: "Don't email me after hours"
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107804 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:50 am to
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Today's workforce: "Don't email me after hours"
The fact emailing is even there proves that

Todays workforce deals more with after hour requests than any before

Think about what an iPhone and take him work computer does to promote that.

Could you imagine life in 1997 when a work laptop didn’t exist and a phone was simply a home phone? Sounds like pure bliss for my job
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 11:54 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87743 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:51 am to
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Today's workforce: "Don't email me after hours"


yep, all of the applicants seem to have demands that want the job to taper to their private, recreational wants
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 11:54 am to
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Yep, same.

Today's workforce: "Don't email me after hours"


So you're upset they're setting healthy boundaries with work?

Hasn't the long societal complaint been the deterioration of families because of two parents working to the degree that they're neglecting the attention they should be giving to their families to maintain a certain lifestyle?

Can't have it both ways, folks.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
5165 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:02 pm to
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And kids today starting out factually have it worse than you based on their wages compared to home prices It’s just a fact. It’s doesn’t mean you or anyone else in the past didn’t have it rough, it just means it’s worse now. Not an opinion


I understand many have it tough, especially ones whose parents aren’t helping. My initial post was about so many of them sticking their noses up to living in shitty areas of town, whereas we may not have liked but we did anyways. The comment even gets said on here and I hear many young people saying it, “We either have to live in bad parts of town, or stay at home. “Unless we want to buy a house in the ghetto, we can’t afford one”

I’m just saying we did get houses in the ghetto :lol

None of that means it’s not difficult for todays young adults
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:05 pm to
What you are seeing is middle to upper middle class people complain about affordable houses in nice areas. Middle and upper middle class people didn't have to live in the ghetto 30 years ago.

You and your friends were poor, so y'all didn't have a choice.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33770 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:07 pm to
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Could you imagine life in 1997 when a work laptop didn’t exist


I don’t have to imagine it.

But also I had a home computer and email since around 1990.

It’s a tough comparison because many job types didn’t exist then.

“Imagine working in e-commerce in 1995 with no laptop or cell phone. Pure bliss”

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33770 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:09 pm to
Don’t attribute societal complaints to me. IDGAF.

quote:


Can't have it both ways, folks.


This phrase can be used in a lot of ways.

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107804 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:10 pm to
Correct. I lived in a trailer growing up. But that’s because we were very low on the salary wage
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25690 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:10 pm to
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Middle and upper middle class people didn't have to live in the ghetto 30 years ago. You and your friends were poor, so y'all didn't have a choice.

If not living in the ghetto is one of the hallmarks of not being poor, maybe these people are poor?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
87743 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:11 pm to
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This phrase can be used in a lot of ways.



aye
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85352 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:11 pm to
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If not living in the ghetto is one of the hallmarks of not being poor, maybe these people are poor?


If that is what you want to argue, go ahead

but it is going to make my point even better
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107804 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:11 pm to
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not living in the ghetto is one of the hallmarks of not being poor, maybe these people are poor?
Except they aren’t ….

That’s the entire point. The middle class(based on wage) is worse off now than before

That is a pure fact based on average cost of goods and housing and average salary. No opinions. No emotions

The 50th percentile earner years ago was in better shape than the 50th percentile earner now

I truly don’t understand why some can’t either grasp that concept or just flat out refuse to accept it
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
5165 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:13 pm to
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What you are seeing is middle to upper middle class people complain about affordable houses in nice areas.


When did college graduates become middle to upper class?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25690 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:14 pm to
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If that is what you want to argue, go ahead but it isn't going to make my point even better


Middle class doesn’t exist anymore. It’s the haves and have nots. Rural vs urban. Suburbs are where those who still cling to the idea of the “middle class” go to live and complain as it turns into a ghetto.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107804 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:14 pm to
Forget college or no college. Forget urban or rural. Forget nice or ghetto

Bob in 1995 who made exactly the 50th percentile salary could buy more with his wages than Bob the 50th percentile earner in 2024
This post was edited on 9/11/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted by swamptiger99
Member since Aug 2024
373 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:14 pm to
Let's see what the starting salary was in 1995 LINK:

Oh it was $30k a year.

What was the average starter home in America at the time LINK?

Oh it was $114k

Yet I'm the problem for wanting the more than what you had at the exact same time in your life.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33770 posts
Posted on 9/11/24 at 12:14 pm to
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Middle and upper middle class people didn't have to live in the ghetto 30 years ago.


They also have way different standards of living than people did 30 years ago.

Lower class people try to live like middle class, while middle class tries to live like upper class.

I grew up solid middle class. We rarely ate out and would take maybe one cheap vacation per year.

There are poor people eating out every meal.

The cost of living narrative is a bit misleading.
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