re: The Will of a Southerner to a roaring Confederacy victory - The Battle of Chancellorsville

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This is an asinine term to describe the men who fought for the Confederacy. Your average Confederate soldier grew up on rural, isolated farmland. They would have had zero concept or interaction with any federal installation or agency save maybe the mail. In my area, the nearest federal building would have been the courthouse in Florence, which was 45 miles away. The very concept of a unified, centralized United States was alien to them. Of course they'd fight for their states over some foreign notion of Union with people they'd never met and places they'd never been.

Two months later General Lee would attack an entrenched superior force in enemy held territory. Uphill in some areas.



How’d that work out?

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Without this, the scars and wounds of the war may have been so severe that the process of healing and of reconciling the nation after the war would have failed. Although technically one, the nation would have in practice remained divided.

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I’m not sure where this last line comes from. Are you saying that the nation reconciled after the war because of the sporadic victories achieved by Robert E. Lee? The South remained divided. The old adage is “ the South lost the war, but won the peace.” Frankly, the United States failed in that category just as much as the racist institutions set up in the post war south. There was no Marshall Plan for rebuilding the south, and the wounds didn’t heal. Reconstruction was a failure. The failure of Reconstruction halted any real civil rights changes for almost a century.

Ive always felt like a genuine discussion can be had on whether or not the states actually had the “right” to secede. Clearly Lincoln felt otherwise and had the military backing to enforce his opinion. But if you look at the Constitution as a contract between states, I can’t imagine any entity signing a contract without some sort of exit clause.

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Ive always felt like a genuine discussion can be had on whether or not the states actually had the “right” to secede. Clearly Lincoln felt otherwise and had the military backing to enforce his opinion. But if you look at the Constitution as a contract between states, I can’t imagine any entity signing a contract without some sort of exit clause.

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South Carolina's Declaration of Secession was essentially a recitation of the Compact Theory, outlined originally by John C. Calhoun in his South Carolina Exposition and Protest. This work was largely based on the Kentucky Resolution, which was authored by Thomas Jefferson. Does anyone believe that any of the state legislatures would have approved and adopted the Constitution had they been told that it was an irrevocable contract from which they could not peacefully exit?

I'll never understand why native southerners glorify Lee or Jefferson Davis. They sent poor southerners to die in an un-winnable war while the rich slave holders (the only ones who would have benefited) stayed at home.

Also, it's not like the south barely loss, they got an Bama vs Vandy football butt whipping.

The North was very close at one point to losing and ending the war.

This is like if in the NBA championship a team wins the series 4-1 and then the losing team goes home and celebrates the fact they won game 3 by 24 and played lights out for that one game.

Lincoln killed more Americans than all other Presidents combined.

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I love how history has changed. Slavery had nothing to do with the war until it was used for morale later own. The north treated blacks badly also. I think slavery is wrong but so is changing history to fit an agenda!!!

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Don't know about other states, but for MS is was about slavery.


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Mississippi seceded from the United States on January 9, 1861. In doing so, members of the state’s secession convention felt it their duty to tell the world why. "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest of the world."

The south should not have surrendered. The north would have eventually been unable to finance a war of attrition.

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Slavery had nothing to do with the war until it was used for morale later own.

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You can find in this actual thread evidence to the contrary.

It was a stance literally written by states.

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I love how history has changed.

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We have written history to go by. What do you have?