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re: The wife and I made a difficult decision this weekend
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:42 am to EA6B
Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:42 am to EA6B
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Your question implies that you consider paying for a kids college education a parental obligation like food, shelter, clothing, and if you cant afford that you should not have had kids. Lucky for a lot of people their parents didn't believe that, mine included.
Sorry your parents didn't love you and/or couldn't afford you. Providing the basic necessities of life isn't raising a child. That's simply doing what's required to avoid jail time.
This country needs fewer uneducated losers. Stop contributing to the problem.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 8:52 am
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Posted on 8/14/18 at 8:56 am to Barstools
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This country needs fewer uneducated losers. Stop contributing to the problem.
You are implying that kids forced into college by their parents are getting an education in anything other than beerology 101 and SJW Economics.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:05 am to meansonny
No I'm implying that people who have to pay their way through school are more likely to give up pursuit of theor degree because it's much harder to succeed. Not saying it can't be done but stracking the deck against your children isn't my idea of being a good parent. YMMV.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:06 am to Barstools
I would also tell your children to check out the National Guard and see what kind of tuition breaks you can get...
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:07 am to Barstools
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but stracking the deck against your children isn't my idea of being a good parent.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:15 am to EA6B
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Your question implies that you consider paying for a kids college education a parental obligation like food, shelter, clothing, and if you cant afford that you should not have had kids. Lucky for a lot of people their parents didn't believe that, mine included.
My only problem with OP, without reading the last few pages of this thread, is it sounds to me like OP and his wife just burned through all their money on frivolous things and are at the 11th hour figuring out that they can’t afford to pay.
I completely understand parents not being able to afford it due to other circumstances, but it just sounds to me like OP didn’t even make an effort to support his kid.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 9:23 am to baldona
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If your kid is pretty smart and getting good grades, even a liberal arts degree in something like history or philosophy can lead to law school, MBA, or be better off than simply saying you aren't going STEM so you are on your own. That's my point.
Yep. A lot of you OT hard asses should take a peek at the numbers if you have daughters especially.
I realize you may want your daughter to be a doctor or engineer, but there aren't a whole ton of them (female) out there so the chances of yours doing it are fairly low. It would be pretty shite to basically doom your daughter to being a low paid receptionist because you didn't want to spend money on public relations or English where she could have networked, had an internship or part time job meeting people, and overall become a more well rounded individual.
You should know you kid fairly well. Depriving education to a fairly passionate, bright kid who would do well (just because it isn't STEM) is pretty shite.
I entirely get not wanting to fund your kid's dream of being a Broadway actress, but refusing to pay for any liberal arts degree seems a bit dramatic. I'm doing perfectly fine career wise with my English degree. I know I'm certainly glad I'm not stuck staring at a clock from the exact hours of 8:00 to 5:00 answering phones for maybe $30k.. which is what you're looking at if you have daughters.
Boys in Louisiana at least have a lot of other routes they can go for decent money.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:36 am to Barstools
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No I'm implying that people who have to pay their way through school are more likely to give up pursuit of theor degree because it's much harder to succeed. Not saying it can't be done but stracking the deck against your children isn't my idea of being a good parent. YMMV.
You mean that something of value might be hard?
And for that reason, some might not earn the degree? Which places value on the degree because some failed to reach it?
My kid will kick your kid's arse in the interview process. Being challenged and succeeding trumps going through the motion and winning a merit solely on the basis of showing up for 4 years straight. Employers know the 80/20 rule that 80% of college graduates are still unprepared for success right out of college.
As Les Brown says, you've got to be hungry. You've got to want it so much that nothing gets in the way.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:37 am to LouisianaLady
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Depriving education
Oh dear god...
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:39 am to PrivatePublic
Pay for them to go to a juco. If they get good grades, they may be eligible for scholarships.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:43 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Pay for them to go to a juco. If they get good grades, they may be eligible for scholarships.
If their kid can't get scholarships, maybe they need to wake up to a few things...
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:43 am to LouisianaLady
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Depriving education to a fairly passionate, bright kid who would do well (just because it isn't STEM) is pretty shite.
The kid can still go to college even if the parents can't afford to pay for it.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:51 am to meansonny
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My kid will kick your kid's arse in the interview process. Being challenged and succeeding
You are missing the point. It is a demonstrable fact that kids who have to pay for college on their own have lower graduation rates.
You are focusing on your own son as the rule. It's not. See the demonstrable fact, above. The issue is not whether or not kids can succeed and thrive on their own. Of course that can happen. But, the numbers say that you give your kid a better chance if you, as parents, pay for college. It's just a numbers thing.
As a parent, i feel like my job is to look at the numbers and make the best decision for my child...not for myself. If that means that my kid has the best chance of graduating if I pay (and the numbers back that up), then that's the decision.
And, that doesn't mean it's a blank check. There will be strings attached. Maintaining a certain GPA, for example.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 10:53 am
Posted on 8/14/18 at 10:57 am to Ex-Popcorn
In 20 years much of higher learning will be done from the home in front of a computer and much less expensive than today
My wife got her accounting degree without ever stepping foot on campus.
My wife got her accounting degree without ever stepping foot on campus.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:02 am to Will Cover
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It's okay if they have to work to put themselves through school, even if it takes them longer to graduate.
100% myth. It has not been possible to "work your wave through college" since the 1980s-90s.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:03 am to TxTiger82
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It has not been possible to "work your wave through college" since the 1980s-90s.
This is happening every day, all over the place. Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:04 am to mmmmmbeeer
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He's an A-B student working a job to pay for his schooling, his apartment, and transportation.
He may have a job, which is great, but he's definitely taking on debt to pay for all of that stuff.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is happening every day, all over the place.
Nope. The average cost of living (including tuition, room, board, transportation, etc.) at an in-state public school far outstrips the earning potential of a college student.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:10 am to TxTiger82
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The average cost of living (including tuition, room, board, transportation, etc.)
Well, many kids are smart enough to live with parents, relatives or have roommates. With any ntelligence, scholarship assistance too.
Kids work summers up here for their tuition money. The average cost of in State tuition is less than 10k.
Posted on 8/14/18 at 11:13 am to TxTiger82
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100% myth. It has not been possible to "work your wave through college" since the 1980s-90s.
This is idiotic. Lots of people working their way through 4 year degrees and grad school.
You don’t typically see them at party schools and they typically do a lot of online courses or go through CCs before transferring to 4 year schools, but it is entirely possible to work through college and pay your way still.
This post was edited on 8/14/18 at 11:14 am
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