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re: The Top 10 Deadliest Battles in U.S. Military History
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:40 pm to lsufan9193969700
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:40 pm to lsufan9193969700
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Camp Lejuene might have only had 30-35k active Marines on base when I was stationed there.
How many drank the water?
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:46 pm to VernonPLSUfan
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So to believe this number of deaths, would the total of American forces be in Europe around 100,000?
There were roughly 1.2 million U.S. soldiers involved in the Meuse-Argonne Offensive of 1918. It was the largest and bloodiest battle ever fought in the history of the United States military.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:56 pm to RollTide1987
Good post. You sparked my curiosity about the Meuse-Argonne, as some argued that you could not compare campaigns with a few days of battle. In any case I found an estimated chart of casualties by day from Meuse-Argonne.
Over 20,000 American casualties in the first four days
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I never realized how bad the 35th Infantry Division faired in those first couple of days. Made up of Kansas and Missouri National Guard.
I don't know who wrote this but
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Over 20,000 American casualties in the first four days
LINK
I never realized how bad the 35th Infantry Division faired in those first couple of days. Made up of Kansas and Missouri National Guard.
I don't know who wrote this but
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The division after some weeks in the Le Mans area returned to America about April 23, 1919, leaving behind about 1,500 dead and with 10,605 replacements. Practically all of the units paraded both in Kansas and Missouri, and were demobilized and discharged in about three days at Camp Funston. The official report shows that there were some 1,480 deaths; 6,001 wounded, and 167 captured, making a grant total of 7,913 men. This loss, while not an excessive one, was mostly sustained in the one battle of the Argonne, where the losses were heavy
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Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Great uncle was a WW1 vet, dude lived in a bottle. Never talked about it to me.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:49 pm to RollTide1987
If it was based on number of men per square foot, Okinawa and Iwo Jima would have to be the top two by far. Just unbelievably violent fighting but the number of soldiers in the fight weren’t nearly as high due to the nature of amphibious operations in theatre.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:51 pm to RollTide1987
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3. The Battle of Okinawa (World War II) - 12,513 U.S. fatalities
On top of over 100,000 Japanese troops and civilians. Proof that dropping the bombs was the right thing to do.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:51 pm to redstick13
quote:Well, about 350.
How many drank the water?
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:40 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Are you for real? United 93 vs terrorists...battle. NYPD/NYFD vs toasted terrorists in the towers...battle. Ditto the Pentagon.
I wouldn't classify 9/11 as a "battle."
I get your POV but since Vietnam how wars were fought (at least from our perspective) changed. The only difference between civil war and revolutionary battles was that they didn't line up in straight rows, fire, advance closer, and repeat. Washington was forward thinking enough to use guerrilla warfare which is the one standard that hadn't changed in centuries. If you can't beat a stronger force you suck then into your territory and then use your knowledge to create chaos.
After the middle east wars I doubt we see forces in the ground in an offensive posture again. As I was telling my son yesterday, if he wants to be in the military he needs to learn how to fly because the worst that can happen is the drone you are flying being shot down. The military may have lost a jet but at least you get to go home and come back to fly it again.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:00 pm to tigahbruh
Read “the psychology of military incompetence.” Your mind will be boggled by the amount of unnecessary death the Brits in particular exposed themselves to. Outstrips anything that happens to us for astonishing Loy stupid reasons, like devotion to the horse* after WW1.*
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:02 pm to OleWar
There is an excellent WWI US cemetery that I visited in the area. It’s a pain in the arse to get to, and hours from Paris.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 10:15 pm to lsufan9193969700
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The numbers blow my mind. It's hard to wrap your mind around them. #10 for example, is nearly 4k. I might have known 1000 names of Marines and Sailors while I was active and only know of 7 actual brothers who perished in the middle east since 2001. 1000 and 7 seem like huge numbers to me. 4k casualties? 26k casualties? That is mind blowing. Hell, Camp Lejuene might have only had 30-35k active Marines on base when I was stationed there.
Same here Brother. Hard to imagine the loss that they endured in past wars.
Semper Fi
Posted on 2/4/23 at 11:10 pm to RollTide1987
Thank God Brandon had sense enough to not shoot the barroon down over land, otherwise the resulting deaths might have caused a new entry in this top 10.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 12:13 am to RollTide1987
Take out "US history" and its all probably WW1. The casualties in that war are unimaginable.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 12:31 am to Ghost of Colby
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The Guadalcanal campaign lasted for six months, and covered not only the island of Guadalcanal, but over 2,000 square miles of sea and other islands.
3x more sailors died in the 4 major naval battles of Guadalcanal than Marines died in those 6 months.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 12:59 am to RollTide1987
You forgot Jan 6th. The Dems say that's the worst ever.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:27 am to OleWar
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never realized how bad the 35th Infantry Division faired in those first couple of days. Made up of Kansas and Missouri National Guard.
There’s a special exhibit at Kansas City’s sacred ground .National WWI Museum in memory and as reminder. The majority of those boys and men’s families were only a generation or two at most from having fled Europe and they were being asked to save it. In Mo., we have an extremely strong German heritage, of which I’m proudly married into. but there were just about as many Mo.farm boys who only spoke German on the farm and answered the Fatherland’s call.
The WWI Museum & Memorial is an incredible experience, if you’re ever in KC it’s worth your time. While I was grabbing the link, they’ve got an exhibit at the moment and as a history buff, I had no clue.
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Nearly 9 million.
During four brutal years of the Great War, nearly 9 million people were held as prisoners of war at some point during the conflict.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:55 am to MSUDawg98
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Are you for real? United 93 vs terrorists...battle. NYPD/NYFD vs toasted terrorists in the towers...battle. Ditto the Pentagon.
Remember the topic of the OP: "The Top 10 Deadliest Battles in U.S. Military History."
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I get your POV but since Vietnam how wars were fought (at least from our perspective) changed.
Yes and no. The Gulf War was a conventional war, fought with conventional weapons and tactics. Irregular warfare came to define the insurgency phases of Afghanistan and Iraq, but those conflicts both began as conventional military campaigns involving standard military tactics. Now that the War on Terror is effectively over, our operating military forces are once again learning how to wage conventional operations as we prepare for the inevitable showdown with China.
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Washington was forward thinking enough to use guerrilla warfare which is the one standard that hadn't changed in centuries.
This is a misnomer. Washington was a conventional general who waged conventional warfare. Much of the guerrilla fighting that went on during the Revolutionary War was waged in the southern colonies. Meanwhile, Washington was in the north fighting such conventional battles as Long Island, Trenton, Princeton, Brandywine, Monmouth, Germantown, etc.
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After the middle east wars I doubt we see forces in the ground in an offensive posture again.
You will more than likely be proved incorrect. With the wars in the Middle East coming to an end, as I highlighted above, our operating military forces are once again preparing for "great power competition."
Posted on 2/5/23 at 7:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
Haig, the British general, should have been sacked because of it. Wholesale carnage.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 7:48 am to KiwiHead
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Haig, the British general, should have been sacked because of it. Wholesale carnage.
It could have been worse. Some of his field officers disobeyed orders for the later attacks and withheld their troops after seeing what was happening. Probably saved quite a few lives.
Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:32 am to iwantacooler
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I’m ignorant in this regard and genuinely want to know, especially since confederates weren’t allowed to be buried in national cemeteries
From an official standpoint: In the 1950s Congress passed legislation that gave US veteran status to all Confederate Soldiers.
But in a more general sense, Confederates were Americans and all living Confederate veterans were eventually returned to normal citizenship status by 1870 or so.
It was an internal war, with Americans on both sides. Just makes more realistic sense to count them.
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