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re: The Roman Empire compared to a map of the USA
Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:25 pm to CornbreadFed
Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:25 pm to CornbreadFed
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Inb4 dumb fall of rome and USA comparisons
The barbarians are at the gate
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:36 pm to jchamil
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The barbarians are at the gate
Rome fell internally before the barbarians went past the gate.
We went on the clock in the 80's
Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:43 pm to Cheese Grits
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Rome fell internally before the barbarians went past the gate.
Nah. Iterations of the Roman Empire existed until the 20th century. The idea of being Roman was also fairly widespread until the same time period.
People just like the convenience of using the 'barbarian' arguments because it's thought-terminating and allows them to blame whatever agrees with their politics.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:47 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:49 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I think that there are some very apt analogies. What are the dumb ones in your estimation?
All of them
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:24 pm to GreenRockTiger
They had strongholds on 3 continents
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:25 pm to hawgfaninc
The Romans would have built a Loop by now.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:32 pm to GreenRockTiger
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But not Dublin
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:34 pm to hawgfaninc
Greece is so small
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:35 pm to crazy4lsu
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Iterations of the Roman Empire existed
Holy Roman Empire was a glorified city state at the trade nexus of the East and West, sorta like New Coke.
Rome was kaput in the West when the cray cray Senate allowed it to burn for personal gain over the strength of the citizens.
Countries and Empires fall from within long before they fall to the invaders. Usually when "court" becomes more important than reality. Last emperor of China had no clue as he never left the Forbidden City and had no clue what was actually happening. France fell when they were living the high life in court while the citizens could not get bread. English supported a monopoly and used their military to fight for a company that did not even call the UK home. Got embarrassed when dudes with spears beat them at war and the world lost respect.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:37 pm to hawgfaninc
We need to restore the glory of the Holy Roman Empire
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:39 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:They should have got roommates or moved to a less trendy area
France fell when they were living the high life in court while the citizens could not get bread.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:45 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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moved to a less trendy area
That is the insight!
You need to stay at least a little bit hungry for clarity. Also need to stay grounded as soon as you think you are on top you have already started the downslide.
Posted on 5/25/23 at 11:47 pm to real turf fan
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And slavery was a part of all of it.
A huge part of it. But their slaves were citizens of places they conquered or people unable to pay their debt and were mostly white due to the geography. .
Posted on 5/26/23 at 2:47 am to hawgfaninc
At the peak the Mongol empire was almost 5 times as large as the peak Roman empire.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:13 am to Tigris
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At the peak the Mongol empire was almost 5 times as large as the peak Roman empire.
They actually did change the climate because they left so much area with no people remaining in it so it reverted back to whatever natural wilderness existed before people.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:25 am to Tigris
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At the peak the Mongol empire was almost 5 times as large as the peak Roman empire.
Is that how all those Asian looking women ended up in Kazakhstan?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:39 am to CornbreadFed
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Inb4 dumb fall of rome and USA comparisons
One would have to be dumb to not see the parallels between the two republics.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:41 am to redstick13
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Is that how all those Asian looking women ended up in Kazakhstan?
Yes
Posted on 5/26/23 at 6:07 am to Cheese Grits
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Rome was kaput in the West when the cray cray Senate allowed it to burn for personal gain over the strength of the citizens.
You are elevating the Western Roman Empire for no real reason.
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Countries and Empires fall from within long before they fall to the invaders.
Great, but then how were Roman administrative structures so resilient? Because, like I said, some of those administrative and cultural legacies remained up until the 20th century in some cases. You are referring to a bunch of generalized situations which don’t really add any clarity to your point either.
There was definitely a multiplicity of factors in the decline of the Western Empire, but for me it seems more true that empires fall because they lack the ability to adapt to changing contexts, which includes political, social and environmental changes. The rule is either to adapt or die.
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