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re: The Red Stick Trolley flopped, so let's try a Tram!!!

Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:08 pm to
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Actually the densest area is 70805. 70802 is second. 70815 is third.


Zip codes aren't the best way to show this IMO. They cover large areas that might contain several city blocks of office space or universities filled with people during the week that aren't accounted for.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42552 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:09 pm to
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The tram is within 70802.


Yes, but the two most populated are 70805 and 70802 and the Tram is only in one.

If you wanted the Tram to serve the two most populated areas it would run down Nicholson to Plank Road and on to the airport.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:11 pm to
This is just the first leg. Phase 3 takes it north to the airport and south to Laberge. Phase 2 is mid city.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42552 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:12 pm to
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Zip codes aren't the best way to show this IMO. They cover large areas that might contain several city blocks of office space or universities filled with people during the week that aren't accounted for


I agree with you here.

I think you'd want to connect a destination place with a dense area where a lot of people lived that regularly travel to the destination place.

I see Downtown as a destination place, but I see LSU as a destination place also. I think connecting the two places isn't the best choice for this experiment.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42552 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:14 pm to
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This is just the first leg. Phase 3 takes it north to the airport and south to Laberge. Phase 2 is mid city.


To Laberge???? Why go umpteen miles through empty fields, and wide open land so a few people can gamble? That would be idiotic.

Mid City makes more sense. There and on to Broadmoor/Sherwood to DS.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:16 pm to
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To Laberge???? Why go umpteen miles through empty fields, and wide open land so a few people can gamble? That would be idiotic.


I agree here.

Unless they pay for it.

Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8257 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:16 pm to
Is this the monorail that I can take to Zephry Field and Gonzales or is this a different BR monorail?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:19 pm to
Last I heard, the city would pay to get to Brightside, and Laberge would pony up the rest. They may end up scrapping going all the way down there, though.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:20 pm to
Different. This gets you around BR. The NOLA one goes faster and uses existing tracks.

Phase 2 of the tram would connect the two projects.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40830 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:20 pm to
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Commuters to jobs downtown will take it from 7-9. Lunch crowd will take it from 11-2 happy hour and commuters will take it from 4-7. Dinner crowd from 6-9. Barflys from 9-3. That leaves it being under-utilized from 3-7am, 9-11am, 2-4pm, and from 8-10pm, just like every other mass transit system in existence. It will be busy half of the time, and not busy half the time. I want to see if the use studies will show that the half the time when it is busy will make enough revenue to support the other half when it is not.


I honestly can't believe you believe this.

Rail just fascinates folks I suppose.

Austin has about 1 million more people can't get support for another line.

It just costs too much.

What's left out is the cost to replace the rail as well once it wears out. Compared to roads, holy moly!
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42552 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:22 pm to
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They CAN'T use this money for state highways.


False, the parish can and has improved state highways with local money. Bluebonnet and Burbank are two examples. Nicholson is also in the Green Lit plan and it is to be widened in a couple of years or so. It too is a state highway.

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They CAN use this money on passenger rail while getting the feds to fork over an extra $100 million worth of investment.


Kansas City got the Feds to pony up roughly 37 million dollars of the funds for their Tram(total cost 102 million). How will we get 100 million dollars for ours?

I realize people other than yourself have been saying the Feds would pay 80 percent, but they didn't in Kansas City. Why the difference?
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:22 pm to
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To Laberge???? Why go umpteen miles through empty fields, and wide open land so a few people can gamble? That would be idiotic.


Dude, its a link between the LSU ghetto and Laberge. It steals them from the Belle and Hollywood.

Idiotic for everybody but Lauberge.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:22 pm to
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I see Downtown as a destination place, but I see LSU as a destination place also. I think connecting the two places isn't the best choice for this experiment.



This is a good point.

People that work and live downtown arent going to use this tram to go to LSU. People that work downtown and live elsewhere(not on the route) will not use this tram. Besides a few days a year, why would any large amount of people take the tram from downtown BR to LSU?

This will be a huge money pit.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:23 pm to
Which I have a feeling the next study (the one unlocked by the 10 million dollar bond) will show. However, I want to believe it can work if done right, though I know it won't be.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:25 pm to
Because we already got Congress to allocate it (thanks, Graves!)
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
77953 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:26 pm to
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the next study (the one unlocked by the 10 million dollar bond)


I feel like the richest people in Baton Rouge are the ones that do studies for local government.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70412 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:30 pm to
This is fact. You can thank Congress for that back in the late 70s when they started requiring environmental and economic impact studies before anything could be built. It slowed infrastructure growth to a crawl and caused the costs to skyrocket.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40830 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:33 pm to
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This is fact. You can thank Congress for that back in the late 70s when they started requiring environmental and economic impact studies before anything could be built. It slowed infrastructure growth to a crawl and caused the costs to skyrocket.


On a sort of related side topic.

All anyone is doing by supporting projects like this by unlocking federal funds and so forth is just supporting the game. Studies, studies, and more studies.

It seems to me the money in any field is never the end product. For example, the money in being a lawyer isn't actually being a lawyer (except for a few), it is in making lawyers (law School, BARBRI, etc).

I feel like that can applied to just about anything, so not really sure its a revelation.
This post was edited on 6/27/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42552 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:35 pm to
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Because we already got Congress to allocate it (thanks, Graves!)


Err no we didn't.

At least not in april.
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Graves said he fully agrees that the Nicholson corridor needs to be revitalized and he believes that LSU and downtown should be connected. But he said it’s unclear at this point whether the tram project will emerge as a priority. It’s possible the project could end up competing for dollars specifically designated for rail projects, such as the New Orleans to Baton Rouge rail line, which has been in planning for several years.


“In regard to saying that’s the best investment of those funds, I just want to wait and see what other projects are out there and which ones make the most sense for that investment,” he said.


LINK

In the same article it says Graves got La. 100 million for a Fastlane project and that JBE plans to use it on I-10/I-49 in Lafayette, etc.

Did something recently happen to change all this?
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
130884 posts
Posted on 6/27/16 at 2:35 pm to
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You can thank Congress for that back in the late 70s when they started requiring environmental and economic impact studies before anything could be built.

If you're referring to NEPA, you're about a decade off.
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