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re: The Red Army stumbled upon Auschwitz 80 years ago today...
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:51 pm to razor55red
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:51 pm to razor55red
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You taking pleasure in the suffering of others out of a sense of revenge doesn't speak much for your character.
I really don't give two shits what you think about my character. Let's talk about the character of the people who slaughtered millions of innocents including several hundred thousand of my people.
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I know he didn't take part in mass murder, burning people in locked buildings.
You were there? Then I guess you really don't know, do you? BTW, where did he "serve"?
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In fact, most of them never had any idea of what was really going on behind those walls.
bullshite. And I guarantee you they knew what was going on in the town squares and the fields where they mowed down old men and children.
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Again, I abhor what happened in the camps (there's one about 2 miles from where I sit, and I've learned in great detail what happened there). It's unimagineable. There's a Jewish Memorial in our town in memory of the prisoners who were forced to march barefoot through the snow in March or April of '45 to Dachau. They didn't want the Americans who were advancing toward the town to see the full extent of this tragedy - there's a Band of Brothers episode about this. In the next town at the train station is a train car that was used to transport prisoners like cattle. There are at least 3 Jewish cemetaries in this area. I've heard the stories - in person - of survivors of these camps, and it was heartbreaking.
That's nice, I've learned all about it in Mauthausen and in Kalavryta. Look it up. There is nothing that happened to any of those animals that was good enough for what they did.
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I don't know what was happening in the mind of my friend, whether he felt guilt, had nightmares his whole life, or whatever. But what I do know is that until we learn to go forward (while remembering and learning from the past), we will be damned to repeat it all. This sense of total guilt has paralyzed German society since the war ended and there has to be a point where it stops. Please don't think that because I refuse to judge and condemn a man means that I in any way sympathize with what the fricking Nazis did to innocent people in WW II.
Well, we an certainly hope that he received the judgment that he was due.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:45 am to 62zip
You sound very bitter. Hate is a poison; it doesn't affect the people or things you hate, only you. Hate will eat you up and ruin your life if you let it. I know it's difficult (believe me, I know), but I hope you find a way to release it and find happiness. I will pray for you, my brother.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:00 am to 62zip
As for bombing the camp, as the war's end was winding down, Himmler instructed the camp commandants to blow up the gas chambers & the ovens. He had them, using prisoners, to dig up the bodies in mass graves & burn them on wooden logs stacked high. This was done all over Europe, where ever Jews were killed & buried in mass graves. But to claim that the Final Solution was not Hitler's idea, that is beyond nuts. Read Mein Kemp, written well before WWII, thus the Holocaust, started. There are many many documentaries & historical books that detail Himmler's interactions with Hitler to where Himmler said Hitler never put anything in writing for a purpose : to protect himself.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:09 am to RollTide1987
Germany has a history of this type of behavior prior to WW2.
Germany, once they've snapped, tends to go full berserker and eventually the whole world has to band together to get them back into their cage.
It'll happen again. Likely within our lifetime.
Germany, once they've snapped, tends to go full berserker and eventually the whole world has to band together to get them back into their cage.
It'll happen again. Likely within our lifetime.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:17 am to Reubaltaich
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He oversaw the cruel starvation of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians.
Sounds like Vlad
Posted on 1/31/25 at 9:55 am to Keltic Tiger
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As for bombing the camp, as the war's end was winding down, Himmler instructed the camp commandants to blow up the gas chambers & the ovens. He had them, using prisoners, to dig up the bodies in mass graves & burn them on wooden logs stacked high. This was done all over Europe, where ever Jews were killed & buried in mass graves. But to claim that the Final Solution was not Hitler's idea, that is beyond nuts. Read Mein Kemp, written well before WWII, thus the Holocaust, started. There are many many documentaries & historical books that detail Himmler's interactions with Hitler to where Himmler said Hitler never put anything in writing for a purpose : to protect himself.
I'm confused. Did you mean to reply to someone else?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:01 am to razor55red
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You sound very bitter. Hate is a poison; it doesn't affect the people or things you hate, only you. Hate will eat you up and ruin your life if you let it. I know it's difficult (believe me, I know), but I hope you find a way to release it and find happiness. I will pray for you, my brother.
I'm not bitter - I just don't think that those responsible for these atrocities suffered enough.
Save the prayers for ne, I'm good - instead pray for the victims of these animals.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:03 am to razor55red
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You sound very bitter. Hate is a poison; it doesn't affect the people or things you hate, only you. Hate will eat you up and ruin your life if you let it. I know it's difficult (believe me, I know), but I hope you find a way to release it and find happiness. I will pray for you, my brother.
I'm not bitter - I just don't think that those responsible for these atrocities suffered enough.
Save the prayers for ne, I'm good - instead pray for the victims of these animals.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:13 am to 62zip
Oh, I pray for you all, including my friend. By the way, who are your people?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 10:34 am to razor55red
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Oh, I pray for you all, including my friend. By the way, who are your people?
Greeks and the Nazis murdered over 13% of the country's population.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:03 am to 62zip
What country? Macedonia? Albania?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:05 am to Keltic Tiger
Pretty decent video of the layout with a Brit narrating. I was always interested in the layout of the camps and this video gives a pretty good idea of how it was organized
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LINK
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:17 am to 62zip
I'm sorry, I misread your statement. Forget my last post. The Greeks got a bad deal for sure.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:20 am to razor55red
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More war criminals were hanged in my town than in Nuremberg, and every one of them deserved it.
What town would that be?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 11:57 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Fascism and Communism are both branches off of Socialism
You can really only make that claim if you are completely ignorant of what socialism and fascism are. And it is generally made by those who are trying to distance themselves from the horrors of the extremism of their political bent.
Hitler's fascism was extreme right wing, while Stalin's socialism was extreme left wing using accepted definitions of fascism and socialism.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:03 pm to idlewatcher
Landsberg am Lech, Bavaria. Hitler was in prison here. Johnny Cash was stationed at the airbase in the next town. He bought his first guitar in Landsberg, and his first band was the Landsberg Barbarians. There were 4 or 5 work camps in the area, the Band of Brothers liberated one and marched citizens of Landsberg to it to make them see what their people had done and dig the graves for the dead.
After the Nuremberg trials they hanged 252 war criminals here, the last in 1951. There was a huge displaced person population here, which, unsurprisingly, caused much tension in the town. It was the 2nd biggest displaced person camp in the American zone. The Bundesrepublik created their constitution, which went into effect (I think) in 1949. It prohibited the death penalty. When the locals protested the hangings, saying there was no death penalty in Germany, the American general - forgot his name - said, no problem, this land (the local American base) is American territory.
After the Nuremberg trials they hanged 252 war criminals here, the last in 1951. There was a huge displaced person population here, which, unsurprisingly, caused much tension in the town. It was the 2nd biggest displaced person camp in the American zone. The Bundesrepublik created their constitution, which went into effect (I think) in 1949. It prohibited the death penalty. When the locals protested the hangings, saying there was no death penalty in Germany, the American general - forgot his name - said, no problem, this land (the local American base) is American territory.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:20 pm to razor55red
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This sense of total guilt has paralyzed German society since the war ended and there has to be a point where it stops.
This guilt and fear of being labeled a nazi/racist is a large part of why Muslims are being allowed to take over Germany (and Europe) .
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But what I do know is that until we learn to go forward (while remembering and learning from the past), we will be damned to repeat it all.
Agreed. If its allowed to get to a tipping point, the pushback could be just as bad as we've seen before.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 12:33 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Your first statement is absolutely true. As for the second, don't underestimate the rejection of the AFD by an overwhelming - countrywide - majority of German voters. They have some support, but it's regional. The counterprotests over the weekend were massive. They are to be reckoned with, though, and I hope the established parties manage to continue isolating them. The problem is, none of the established parties are offering anything worth voting for.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:04 pm to Harry Boutte
curious how you define "left wing" and "right wing"... or what are the "accepted definitions"?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 2:28 pm to TigersnJeeps
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what are the "accepted definitions"?
Fascism is based in nationalism, while socialism is based in globalism.
Fascism has private ownership of the means of production, while socialism has state-owned means of production.
What do you think characterizes American right-wing extremists?
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