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re: The ramblings of a St. George opponent

Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3253 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:14 pm to
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I can always determine when I'm winning the debate on SG because its proponents, like you, on this board have to resort to claiming I've made statements I've never made.


I said ebrpss schools were not good. You responded by calling me ignorant. We all read it. Now, about those 9 acres. Show us where there is even a 9 acre residential lot on highland road and I'll leave you alone:)
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:15 pm to
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I've pointed out there are some excellent schools within the EBRSS.


Do you have kids in the EBRSS?
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16265 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:15 pm to
then why don't you man up and make a statement instead of trying to devalue others positions on the matter!
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61832 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:16 pm to
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If people are that worried about their kids' schooling, why don't they just send them to private school?


Money, and priorities in life. Not all, but many of these same people bitching about education and the cost of private schools also consider themselves as small government conservatives who want government schooling no less, because private school costs money that dips into their pocket books. They don't have an issue with a 50k truck note, or a bigger house, a new addition or more play things, as much as they do in spending money to educate their kids that they want the government to provide for them. The ones who moved out to other parishes don't even mind spending more in gas and the personal life they surrender in traffic to get government education and a newer house in the pasture. It's absurd to me, and is when you hear people bitching about the lack of time they have to spend with their families or the gas or whatever I have to wonder if anyone really questions what we are actually doing to ourselves, much less our own community.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134885 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:19 pm to
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Then why are you defending it like its the second coming?
I'm not. Not even the third coming. Go back and read the statements I've made in this thread which corrects the incorrect and laughable statements made by others. Nowhere did I say the EBRSS is acceptable or good.

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Why do you feel like the system needs to be retained and throw money into the abyss that is the EBRSS?

Because the system is finally improving a little after 47 years of being run by the federal court system. I'm concerned the improvement will be reversed if SG breaks away.

And it's no guarantee that the SG area schools will improve if they break away. Baker's school system got worse. So far, Central's system has pretty much stayed the same. Zachary's schools were already pretty good even before they broke away.

They improved after Zachary raised their school property taxes by almost 80%. Central raised their school property taxes by about 50%.

It irks me when the SG proponents claim they can build 6 new schools, furnish and staff them while operating the existing schools in SG and not have to raise taxes.

Bodi White and Lionel Rainey the Third are lying about that.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63407 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:24 pm to
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He looks like a tax-paying, productive member of society.


I think he's a guitar instructor at one of the local music shops. I got into a bit of an "E" argument with him the other day.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134885 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:26 pm to
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I said ebrpss schools were not good. You responded by calling me ignorant. We all read it.

You wrote:
quote:

The economic climate in BR is good, and getting better. The schools however are not.


I called you ignorant because the schools are getting better contrary to your ignorant claim.

Once again, you try to make it appear you said something different from what you actually said and then you claim I said something different from what I actually said. That lets me know you realize you're wrong. Or, lying.

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Now, about those 9 acres. Show us where there is even a 9 acre residential lot on highland road and I'll leave you alone:)
You're obsessed with that, aren't you? How many times have you asked me about my home and property and where I live? It must be up to 9 or 10 times now. Maybe more. Why are you so obsessed with that?

ETA: I went backed a searched your posts just to see just how much you're obsessed with where I live and my house and property. Here is what I found:
where your 9 acres on highland road reside

Show us where there is even a 9 acre residential lot on highland road and I'll leave you alone

where you allegedly live on 9 acres on highland road,

9 acres of majestic highland road real estate.

its a Highland road estate fictional estates should be at least 10 acres in size.

From the Poli Board:your 9acre Highland Road estate,

his 9acre Highland road estate!

Don't forget his 9acre Highland road estate!
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

the schools are getting better contrary to your ignorant claim.


if so, it's really hard to tell.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3253 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

You're obsessed with that, aren't you? How many times have you asked me about my home and property and where I live? It must be up to 9 or 10 times now. Maybe more. Why are you so obsessed with that?


Because you said it, and because its a lie.
Posted by BeaverPRO
Tampa
Member since Aug 2009
16265 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:33 pm to
quote:

Go back and read the statements I've made

not gonna happen, I've read plenty of your "statements" and feel like you try to guard your words so you can twist them even when you are wrong.

You have not made one innuendo of thought that can be compressed into one frame of mind, and can't be twisted into another frame of thinking.

Here is what SG sees:

are Zachary schools better? YES...why can't ours be?

Are Central schools better? Yes...Why can't ours be?

Are Baker schools better? Yes...How in the hell are Baker schools better?

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Bodi White and Lionel Rainey the Third are lying about that.

yeah, you are right. How were they not mentioned for a position on the SGFD board? You can't tell me that just because two people are trying to gain audience with patrons of their "proposed" city that you would not do the same?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63024 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

Money, and priorities in life. Not all, but many of these same people bitching about education and the cost of private schools also consider themselves as small government conservatives who want government schooling no less, because private school costs money that dips into their pocket books. They don't have an issue with a 50k truck note, or a bigger house, a new addition or more play things, as much as they do in spending money to educate their kids that they want the government to provide for them. The ones who moved out to other parishes don't even mind spending more in gas and the personal life they surrender in traffic to get government education and a newer house in the pasture. It's absurd to me, and is when you hear people bitching about the lack of time they have to spend with their families or the gas or whatever I have to wonder if anyone really questions what we are actually doing to ourselves, much less our own community.



I'd say 99.9% of those supporting the St. George incorporation are doing so for the sake of their children, and the children of future St. George residents. Many, many of these people are paying twice for education (public which they don't use) and private.

Your profile of the St. George supporter is way off.
Posted by MrCoolBeans
Coolsville
Member since Jan 2014
242 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to
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They don't have an issue with a 50k truck note, or a bigger house, a new addition or more play things, as much as they do in spending money to educate their kids that they want the government to provide for them.

I like this guy.



Why I get so frustrated with the majority of the pro SG chatter? They complain about the schools not being good enough, yet quote fox news on the reg about how stupid the gov and we dont need it, while hopping out of their ford f650 for whatever the biggest thing on the road is that cost as much as private school tuition would be for k-8.
FYI private school would be no more a month than an average combined amount for cable and cell phone bill. Definitely cheaper than a ridiculous truck note.


Posted by BigEdLSU
All around the south
Member since Sep 2010
20402 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to
I'm not trying to come across the wrong way at all, but I have no current alternative to "fast track" my child in Ascension parish.

If he goes to any school in EBR theyll transfer him to McKinley after 5th grade.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3253 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:35 pm to
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I called you ignorant because the schools are getting better contrary to your ignorant claim.


You suck at reading comprehension. Go re-read my quote. There are 2 individual assertions about BR's economy, and one about the schools.
Posted by ThisWayChad
Member since Nov 2009
2556 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:35 pm to
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The economic climate in BR is good, and getting better. The schools however are not.


quote:

I called you ignorant because the schools are getting better contrary to your ignorant claim. Once again, you try to make it appear you said something different from what you actually said and then you claim I said something different from what I actually said. That lets me know you realize you're wrong. Or, lying.


What if his statement means the schools are not "good, and getting better?" Does that work for you?
Posted by theBeard
Member since Jul 2011
6739 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Many, many of these people are paying twice for education (public which they don't use) and private.


people just want to get a quality product that we have no choice but to pay for.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63024 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

Because the system is finally improving a little after 47 years of being run by the federal court system. I'm concerned the improvement will be reversed if SG breaks away.



This is implicit admission that you believe St. George will benefit and BR will suffer.

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And it's no guarantee that the SG area schools will improve if they break away. Baker's school system got worse. So far, Central's system has pretty much stayed the same. Zachary's schools were already pretty good even before they broke away.



I'll leave that decision and risk up to St. George residents.

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They improved after Zachary raised their school property taxes by almost 80%. Central raised their school property taxes by about 50%.



And, St. George residents may still be happier/better off by getting a tremendous school option with higher taxes. Right now, there is no evidence that the school system will be beneficial.

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It irks me when the SG proponents claim they can build 6 new schools, furnish and staff them while operating the existing schools in SG and not have to raise taxes.



No one cares what irks you. That's a personal problem. The question at hand is given all of the realities of the move (additional taxes, etc.), is it in St. George's best interest to incorporate.

quote:

Bodi White and Lionel Rainey the Third are lying about that.



So what?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61832 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:41 pm to
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I'd say 99.9% of those supporting the St. George incorporation are doing so for the sake of their children, and the children of future St. George residents. Many, many of these people are paying twice for education (public which they don't use) and private.


So, in keeping with the best interests of the children, and i suppose their children as well, they're making their last stand in St. George? Where is the egress location? Where do we board the busses? North Mall, Mall of LA, or Perkins Rowe?

This reminds me of an old story I heard about why kicking the national debt can was important for our children, or dipping into our social security for the sake of our children.

bullshite.... It's more kicking the can and your children will be the very ones dealing with this, as we were with the decisions of our parents generation when our city began evacuating for the sake of "the children"





This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63024 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:43 pm to

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Why I get so frustrated with the majority of the pro SG chatter? They complain about the schools not being good enough, yet quote fox news on the reg about how stupid the gov and we dont need it, while hopping out of their ford f650 for whatever the biggest thing on the road is that cost as much as private school tuition would be for k-8.



This is a ridiculous point of view.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134885 posts
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

You suck at reading comprehension. Go re-read my quote. There are 2 individual assertions about BR's economy, and one about the schools.

Then you suck at writing. Try writing coherent statements.
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