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re: The Ordeal Of Matthew Starkweather
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:17 pm to FalseProphet
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:17 pm to FalseProphet
quote:Because you said it?
How the hell did you reach that conclusion from my post?
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Don't want murder charges? Don't fricking go back into the same situation that caused a problem before.
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:17 pm to FalseProphet
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I didn't at all. If it was self defense, the jury will acquit him. You seem to believe that a man who had a violent history with another man is entirely innocent in this based upon a one-sided article.
You don't think anyone should have been charged with a crime when there was violence, guns, and a death?
First, I don't think he should have been charged with murder considering what we know of what happened. But having said that, the fact he has been charged with murder is not really my big issue with this story. The biggest problem is this guy (1) spent almost year in jail without bail and (2) now we're like 4 years into it and he's still not been tried. Either put the main on trial and let the chips fall where they may or let the man go to get on with his life.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:18 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:I don't see this in the article.
So the part where everyone who isn't a member was order to leave the clubhouse, leaving 4 members, and one of them ending up dead isn't relevant to a murder charge?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:18 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Oh yea, guy is completely innocent. Vader was spot on. 
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:20 pm to Darth_Vader
And the article is downright laughable in its treatment of those issues, which makes it hilarious that that's the point you take away from it.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:20 pm to FalseProphet
quote:As opposed to your line of thinking that since he's in a biker gang, it's ok to convict him of this murder whether he's innocent or not.
Oh yea, guy is completely innocent. Vader was spot on
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:23 pm to FalseProphet
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Oh yea, guy is completely innocent. Vader was spot on.
Oncd again. It's been four damn years. Let a jury decide his guilt or innocence or drop the whole thing.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:23 pm to The Mick
I linked it on the previous page
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:23 pm to shel311
I didn't ever say that. I've said multiple times if it was self defense the jury will acquit him. I would support that if the evidence does.
My point about the gang stemmed from the OP's apparent insistence, and quotations from the article, that this was a harmless bike club and this guy was an unwitting victim.
My point about the gang stemmed from the OP's apparent insistence, and quotations from the article, that this was a harmless bike club and this guy was an unwitting victim.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:24 pm to FalseProphet
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I think you need to read it again slowly and take it with a grain of salt.
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Why were they fighting again? Was it provoked? Why were shotguns even present? Why is this innocent motorcycle club prone to such violence?
Most of these questions are irrelevant. Police reported that they believed that the two got into a fight, and Taylor took it to another level and stabbed Starkweather in the neck with a knife. His friends defended him by beating Taylor with a shotgun, and he died. That report is from law enforcement.
To our knowledge, the only contrary account that was made was from a guy that was trying to get out of trouble with a testimony. Someone whose story was incogent.
But you are telling us that this guy, who got stabbed in the neck, deserves a murder charge. Got it.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:25 pm to Funky Tide 8
Oh so you can discount evidence to reach your conclusion? Got it.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:26 pm to Darth_Vader
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So if someone knocks you down and starts stabbing you in the neck you'll just lay there and accept that you're about to die. Got it
Hopefully that happens to all these threads you start.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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Still doesn't make it right though.
And I'm with you.
I know what it's like to be targeted for being different, and it fricking sucks. Call me a sellout, but I made the choice to remove myself from the existing radar by just blending in. Cut my hair, dressed the part...I hated it because I felt forced. Our choices were different, but neither one right or wrong.
Eta: looks like the BC chapter was raided in 2009 by badges with a tank, destroying their clubhouse on telegraph rd. They recovered 2 rifles and took one member in for unpaid child support...there may be more to this Starkweather thing, dude.
Seriously.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:29 pm to FalseProphet
quote:You strongly insinuated it, close to even flatly saying it, at least twice on page 1.
I didn't ever say that.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:29 pm to 19
But they are just an innocent motorcycle club! You can't judge them.
And MS-13 is just an innocent group of Mexican food enthusiasts.
And MS-13 is just an innocent group of Mexican food enthusiasts.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:31 pm to FalseProphet
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I didn't ever say that. I've said multiple times if it was self defense the jury will acquit him. I would support that if the evidence does.
The prosecutor will have to let it go to trial first. They've had 4 years to do so thus far.
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My point about the gang stemmed from the OP's apparent insistence, and quotations from the article, that this was a harmless bike club and this guy was an unwitting victim.
I know members of the Iron Coffins and they're good guys. I'm sure some of their members are into criminal stuff but he club itself is not a criminal organization.
As for this guy. I don't know anything about him other than what the article describes. That's all I've got to go on about him. And based on the article, he is a victim. First of a guy trying to kill him and later by a DA drying to ruin his life. Now if you want to claim the guy who wrote the article is lying about all this and the guy is guilty of murder, please say so and post whatever evidence you have to back up your claim.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:33 pm to FalseProphet
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Oh so you can discount evidence to reach your conclusion? Got it.
What am I discounting? I should have said that about half of those questions are irrelevant, the other half were already answered in the report.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:33 pm to FalseProphet
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But they are just an innocent motorcycle club! You can't judge them.
And MS-13 is just an innocent group of Mexican food enthusiasts.
So a raid turns up a couple of rifles and one guy who's behind on child support and to you that equal to being MS-13?
Thanks the lord those cops destroyed that clubhouse.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm to Darth_Vader
Did you read the other link posted. It paints a much different picture than your article.
On a separate point, if all non club members were ordered out, including the dead Guy's wife, do we really believe the testimony of the guys left and the survivor?
I'd think a criminal enterprise loaded with knives, rifles and shotguns wouldn't be the most apt to tell the truth to police in the aftermath.
On a separate point, if all non club members were ordered out, including the dead Guy's wife, do we really believe the testimony of the guys left and the survivor?
I'd think a criminal enterprise loaded with knives, rifles and shotguns wouldn't be the most apt to tell the truth to police in the aftermath.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm to Darth_Vader
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The case was both maudlin and banal but it was a motorcycle club case and motorcycle club cases glow. Homicide is homicide as iron is iron but motorcycle club cases glow as hot iron glows. Biker homicides and hot metal are both special cases and that seems to explain the continuing legal crusade against Starkweather.
WTF? Was this pulled from some 19th century British detective short story?
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