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re: The Ordeal Of Matthew Starkweather
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:04 pm to FalseProphet
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:04 pm to FalseProphet
quote:In what way, exactly?
The article says he was involved.
Being in a fight and getting stabbed is technically "involved" in the incident, but what in the article tied him to the murder that you know for certain "he did?"
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:06 pm to FalseProphet
quote:Im not seeing it I guess, what does it say exactly about his involvement (in the murder, not in the original fight).
The article says he was involved.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:06 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
FalseProphet
Read the OP again, slowly this time, and then please explain to me again why you think that a guy that is getting stabbed in the neck, and was saved by his friends deserves a murder charge.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:06 pm to Darth_Vader
I didn't at all. If it was self defense, the jury will acquit him. You seem to believe that a man who had a violent history with another man is entirely innocent in this based upon a one-sided article.
You don't think anyone should have been charged with a crime when there was violence, guns, and a death?
You don't think anyone should have been charged with a crime when there was violence, guns, and a death?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:06 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
The article also says the guy knocked him down and was stabbing him in the neck. Did you miss that part or does that fact not matter?
I am not reading the article. Did the guy start something to cause the other guy to stab him in the neck? Were they committing a crime when this happened?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:07 pm to Funky Tide 8
I think you need to read it again slowly and take it with a grain of salt. Why were they fighting again? Was it provoked? Why were shotguns even present? Why is this innocent motorcycle club prone to such violence?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:08 pm to FalseProphet
quote:Did that poster say that?
You don't think anyone should have been charged with a crime when there was violence, guns, and a death?
quote:in fairness, you seem to be certain he murdered the dude when the article certainly doesn't exactly give you much to make that assertion.
You seem to believe that a man who had a violent history with another man is entirely innocent in this based upon a one-sided article.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:09 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Starkwater originally started a fight, it seems.
I am not reading the article. Did the guy start something to cause the other guy to stab him in the neck? Were they committing a crime when this happened?
But for the encounter in which the death occurred, the guy who died initiated the 2nd encounter and stabbed Starkwater with a knife.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:09 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:He and the dead dude were fighting each other. Dead dude stabbed him in the neck. Two other dudes then kill dead dude.
Did the guy start something to cause the other guy to stab him in the neck? Were they committing a crime when this happened?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:09 pm to 19
quote:
If the article is factual, then sure this is all fuct up.
Starkweather has a long row to hoe, as do his co-defendents.
But
They chose a lifestyle feared by society. You don't get to play modern-day gun-toting outlaw on horseback, riding the streets in posses and expect ANY condideration from the law.
Gangs on horseback don't get to hide behind the term "Motorcycle Club" and expect the same treatment I get behind the wheel of a fricking Camry.
Call it unfair, Lord Vader, but I call it common fricking sense.
you know what. You're right. I've walked this life for more than a minute so I know all to well what all comes with it and a big part of that is that most (but not all) cops hate you and will look for any way to frick you over. I get that.
Still doesn't make it right though.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:10 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
I didn't at all. If it was self defense, the jury will acquit him. You seem to believe that a man who had a violent history with another man is entirely innocent in this based upon a one-sided article.
You seem to think him being in a "gang" means it's ok to take his freedom away
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:11 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:But he's anti-Patriot Act, but uses the "don't do nothing wrong, and you have nothing to worry about" defense on this one.
You seem to think him being in a "gang" means it's ok to take his freedom away
Doesn't seem to make sense.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
So the part where everyone who isn't a member was order to leave the clubhouse, leaving 4 members, and one of them ending up dead isn't relevant to a murder charge? Who knew?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:12 pm to shel311
quote:
Starkwater originally started a fight, it seems.
The story doesn't say who started it. All it says is the two argued over money the guy owed Starkweather. Here's the portion of the article describing what happened....
quote:
Starkweather, 36, is a member of the Battle Creek, Michigan chapter of the Iron Coffins Motorcycle Club. In the wee small hours of New Year’s Day 2012 he fell into an argument, during a party at the clubhouse, with former chapter president Lee J. “Leeroy” Taylor – allegedly over $2,500 that Taylor owed Starkweather. The men came to blows twice.. The first time Starkweather prevailed. The second time, Taylor emerged from a bathroom with a baton and a knife. He knocked Starkweather down and stabbed him in the neck. Two other chapter members, John Lindahl III and Mario “Paco” Barroso beat Taylor with the butt of a shotgun until he rolled off Starkweather.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:13 pm to The Mick
quote:
He and the dead dude were fighting each other. Dead dude stabbed him in the neck. Two other dudes then kill dead dude.
well that doesn't make any sense. Maybe the DA just wants someone to pay for another persons death. maybe since they both were fighting willingly self defense doesn't apply. Idk how a jury could convict a guy that was stabbed in the neck
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:14 pm to shel311
How the hell did you reach that conclusion from my post? I don't support that line of thinking at all.
I'm inferring that this guy did something wrong based upon the fact that he was charged, the fact that serious weapons were present, the fact that he had a history of violence, and he had prior altercations with the decedent.
I'm inferring that this guy did something wrong based upon the fact that he was charged, the fact that serious weapons were present, the fact that he had a history of violence, and he had prior altercations with the decedent.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:14 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
quote:I don't see that in the link, and i can't view the videos at work, who ordered everyone to leave?
So the part where everyone who isn't a member was order to leave the clubhouse, leaving 4 members, and one of them ending up dead isn't relevant to a murder charge? Who knew?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:15 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:True, solid correction.
The story doesn't say who started it.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:16 pm to Darth_Vader
that shite is written like some middle aged housewife sex novel.
I can't take any motorcycle stuff seriously anymore.
I can't take any motorcycle stuff seriously anymore.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:16 pm to shel311
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