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re: The One Video That Will Make You Understand How Fast F1 Cars Really Are

Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:14 pm to
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:14 pm to
From memory, it's wierd man not queer baits.
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:59 pm to
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Since Senna in '94 the only F1 driver killed was Bianchi and I highly doubt a canopy would have saved him the way it hit the back of that crane. IRL/CART/IndyCar had 7 or 8 deaths in the same time frame, NASCAR a similar number and WRC 2 or 3.

As top-level motorsports go F1 is pretty safe.


Maybe I completely ignorant on the topic but don't F1 cars have the same sort of design as IRL, CART and IndyCar with the open cockpit?
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:21 pm to
Completely ignorant.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:25 pm to
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Maybe I completely ignorant on the topic but don't F1 cars have the same sort of design as IRL, CART and IndyCar with the open cockpit?


Generally, they are both open cockpit/open wheel cars. Beyond that, they have very different tech specs for the chassis, safety cell and roll hoop. There are a lot of other variables like the number of driver miles over 200mph. F1 now has a halo which would prevent some injuries and probably Senna's death if he had had one, but a lot of things were improved as a result of his crash and the loose wheel that probably killed him.

Posted by Tempratt
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:40 pm to
So which of the Ferrari F1's sound better?
v6 turbos
v8
v10
v12.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:42 pm to
V12 easily
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 6:47 pm to
I think the V10s did.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 7:10 pm to
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So which of the Ferrari F1's sound better?
v6 turbos
v8
v10
v12.


It would be easy to say the V12s and be done but some of the other engines had great notes as well.

The great thing about the 3L V10s was they were not rpm restricted and you could use as many as you liked. When they were running 21-22k for qualy they had an amazing piercing scream like 100 million wasps. My wife started going with me early in the V10 era and we had partied so much with my F1 band of gypsies friends we were late for Practice 1 (very rare for me) we were in the hotel about 4 miles away and I said listen to those engines, she didn't believe we hear them that far away.

The current V6ts are just too muffled and the rpm is so limited. Now the first generation Ferrari V6ts in the early 90s had a lot of character and the lift off popping and cracking made them seem very alive.

The Ferrari 2.4L V8s were just too rpm limited to really move me but they were a lot better than the current turbos.

The V12s had these low pitched harmonics that would ebb and flow through the rpm range, they were by far the most torquey and beefy sounding of all the 1975+ engines, I never heard any of them before then in person.
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 7:44 pm to
Italians do something that effects the exhaust note beyond just being a V12. I remember back around 1990 Alfa got into Indycar racing for a year or two and while the car was not competitive it had that distinctive Italian sound even though it was a V8 just like all the others.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:24 pm to
Don't like how they sound, don't like that it's a parade, don't like that Mercedes is dominating (boring).

But it is the "pinnacle" of motorsports. Meaning, there is no vehicle that's going to get around any road course than an F1 car--even if they've been dialed back lately. Not Nascar, not Indy, not any motorcycle, period.

Theoretically an F1 car could run upside down on a track because of all the down-force.

It's just boring these days.

I caught a couple of F1 races back when Schumacher was still racing, and the USGP was still at Indy.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:35 pm to
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don't like that Mercedes is dominating


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I caught a couple of F1 races back when Schumacher was still racing


I guess Ferrari dominating was somehow different?
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:47 pm to
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Italians do something that effects the exhaust note beyond just being a V12. I remember back around 1990 Alfa got into Indycar racing for a year or two and while the car was not competitive it had that distinctive Italian sound even though it was a V8 just like all the others.



There is a lot to unpack here. Probably the most characteristic Italian sound is their 8 cylinder road cars, the oversquare high revving engine with a flat plan crank just screams, Ferrari. They sound like two inline 4 cylider liter bikes running in perfect unison.

The Alfa Indy engine in the March chassis (and later Lola) was an evolution of the Ferrari Tipo 034 designed for their 637 Indycar they Ferrari half-heartedly built to pressure F1 to give them more historic money. Those type of negotiations are why Ferrari can get more money at the end of the season even if they don't come in first in the constructor's championship.
The Alfa variant of the 034 was a 2.65L IIRC and the characteristic sound came from a very wide Vee angle (120*) and the fact the exhaust came up out of the inside of the Vee. The updraft outboard intake manifolds and the odd positioning of the single turbo probably helped in voicing the engine as well. I remember it had an unusual raspy tone which is often a result of header/collector vibrations but I don't know if that was the actual case. It sounded like a very large 2 stroke to me.

Ferrari engines through the years have had characteristic sounds due to the fact Ferrari was a very closed off company. Their solutions were usually different than the rest of the F1 teams because their team was pretty much exclusively Italian so there was very little IP moving in and out of Maranello. Italians doing Italian things. While most every other F1 team always had a strong contingent of English engineers Ferrari did not. This changed dramatically in the Todt/Brawn/Byrne/Schumacher years. This set up a cosmopolitan team with France running it, England/South Africa designing and building it and a German driving with Irish/Brazilian #2s. Ferrari has moved back toward the Italian heavy employment model and hasn't done as well but they are very Italian.

Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:51 pm to
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Ferrari has moved back toward the Italian heavy employment model and hasn't done as well but they are very Italian.



Speaking of, this had just come up on my feed

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Former Ferrari F1 chief Maurizio Arrivabene has asked Ferrari fans to be patient and to support the team through the difficult period that has seen Mercedes record five 1-2 finishes in succession.
Ferrari already seem to be out of contention for both titles, with the 96 point deficit to Mercedes already larger than that of the whole of the 2018 season.
 Arrivabene was at the Mille Miglia event and told Sky Italia: “The championship is still long and we need to have patience.”
“I have been voluntarily quiet on the matter but if I have to speak I can only say that we need to support the whole team. It’s easy to support the team when they are winning but I hope that all the fans support also in difficult moments.”


Wondering what he is really thinking.
Posted by NWarty
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:45 pm to
Senna’s MP4/6 and Mansell’s FW14B. Some of the most glorious engine sounds I’ve ever heard
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:09 am to
V10s had an orgasmic sound that's hard to explain. They were the best sounding of the lot of you ask me.
Posted by TheDeathValley
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:40 am to
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For the lowest common denominator crowd. This one happened in the 2007 Canadian GP about 100 yards from my seat in the hairpin. Kubica walked away with no serious injuries. He was going 186mph when he hit the barrier. The cars are incredibly safe and even more so today. Kubica crash


Interesting that you bring this up, as I see it probably once a month. One of our lead composite engineers comes from F1 and was responsible for this crash. It was a miscalculation on the rear spoiler that caused it to disconnect throwing the balance off.

He and the driver and still friends and was without F1 through another 5 years before coming over. That sport is the most strenuous mental sport there is.
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