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The New Orleans TopGolf Mess Is A Perfect Example Of Why This State Stinks For Business

Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:03 pm
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The New Orleans TopGolf Mess Is A Perfect Example Of Why This State Stinks For Business

You see stories like this, and if you’ve lived all your life in Louisiana you shrug your shoulders and say “Well, that’s how it goes sometimes.” And if you haven’t lived all your life in Louisiana you see stories like this and they piss you off like there’s no tomorrow BECAUSE IT DOESN’T WORK LIKE THIS ELSEWHERE.

So let’s start from the beginning. There are two different companies which build high-end golf driving ranges with lots of extras to them – TopGolf and Drive Shack. It appears that TopGolf is the bigger player in that market – they’ve just opened a facility in Baton Rouge which is, so far, hugely successful and packed all day, every day.

TopGolf and Drive Shack were both interested in putting something into the New Orleans market, and both were interested in building somewhere in downtown New Orleans by the river. In particular there was land along the Mississippi nearby to the New Orleans Convention Center – land, in fact, owned by the Convention Center itself – that was considered as a potential site for a TopGolf or Drive Shack driving range.

The Hayride - Louisiana


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Let’s start with the story of the land near the convention center. It was brought to the New Orleans Convention Center board that maybe a golf driving range might be a good idea, and Joe Jaeger, a real estate developer with property holdings near to the Convention Center, was interested in building one.

What we’re talking about is property on the corner of Tchoupitoulas and Euterpe Streets, just upriver from the New Orleans Convention Center. As we understand it, that property was discussed as a potential driving range site, and Jaeger was involved in trying to book one. But nothing much happened in 2017 when it was first discussed, and unlike in most cases where there’s public land up for development when a master developer is chosen and then decisions go through that entity who’s responsible for the totality of the project, this one was parceled out per the usual Louisiana way.

So ultimately what happened was that Jaeger gave up on the convention center/riverfront site and did a deal with Drive Shack to build a driving range on the Howard Avenue site right off I-10 where the Times-Picayune’s headquarters used to be, in the thinking that he’d have the only high-end driving range in the city – since the TopGolf thing had fallen through.

And Jaeger went ballistic. He penned an op-ed at the New Orleans Advocate trashing the Convention Center and pulling out of a hotel project he was slated to be involved in with the Convention Center board. And that wasn’t all – Jaeger announced he was pulling the plug on his Drive Shack plans at the old T-P headquarters site, saying that he couldn’t hold Drive Shack to the lease given the circumstances of the TopGolf contract. “Holding their feet to the fire over the lease wouldn’t be right. … They’ve been duped by the leadership (of the Convention Center), and it’s not fair, it’s not right and I can’t make them do something I don’t believe in,” he said.

Which was enough of a black eye in and of itself, and then on Tuesday the other shoe dropped – which was that Gov. John Bel Edwards said that the state – meaning the Convention Center board – was going to pull out of the TopGolf plans because the whole thing was “problematic.”


Interesting read and probably jives with the cynical viewpoint a lot of posters have.

He goes on to rant about the New Orleans airport opening delay, the leadership vacuum at LSU, etc.
Posted by WoWyHi
Member since Jul 2009
23339 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:05 pm to
Isn't this the rumored reason Walt Disney said "screw Louisiana" as a potential site?
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:06 pm to
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Isn't this the rumored reason Walt Disney said "screw Louisiana" as a potential site?



Nah, that happened because he visited Louisiana and saw a Jew.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
The Boot
Member since Sep 2014
28325 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:06 pm to
Too many goddamn lawyers
Posted by BayouRat15
DAUPHIN ISLAND,AL
Member since Jan 2004
10234 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:09 pm to
That Disney rumor has been told over here in South Mobile county too...
We didn't get it here because of politics
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79744 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:10 pm to
Convention Center leadership needs to be re-evaluated.

It is only a matter of time before some skeletons start being drug out. A lot of spotlight has been shed on them in the last few months.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131654 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:12 pm to
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Isn't this the rumored reason Walt Disney said "screw Louisiana" as a potential site?


Kind of an urban legend at this point. It was looked at but never got far.

It IS why Tiger Woods has never come to NOLA basically. Was going to do a big charity golf tournament MANY years ago and the hands stretched out for bribes, and he said frick it. Never.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

Convention Center leadership needs to be re-evaluated.

It is only a matter of time before some skeletons start being drug out. A lot of spotlight has been shed on them in the last few months.



Friends of Governor.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59342 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:15 pm to
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It IS why Tiger Woods has never come to NOLA basically. Was going to do a big charity golf tournament MANY years ago and the hands stretched out for bribes, and he said frick it. Never.



Why would someone need to be bribed for him to host a charity golf tournament?
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33863 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:17 pm to
Yup, and now new orleans pissed off a money man and two businesses.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:17 pm to
That seems like entirely too much government involvement for two potential private businesses.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105146 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:17 pm to
Because doing something without greasing the right palms results in a lot of “accidents” and other issues?
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40765 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:17 pm to
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Which was enough of a black eye in and of itself, and then on Tuesday the other shoe dropped – which was that Gov. John Bel Edwards said that the state – meaning the Convention Center board – was going to pull out of the TopGolf plans because the whole thing was “problematic.”


Using problematic unironically should bump you up to the first in line of the mayocide
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131654 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

Why would someone need to be bribed for him to host a charity golf tournament?


Welcome to New Orleans
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:19 pm to
You can't turn a shithole into a desirable place with the same inhabitants. New Orleans needs a complete flush.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10128 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:19 pm to
Joe Jaeger threw a fit and got his way like he always does. So now we get a worse company running a range at a worse site to appease him.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59342 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:20 pm to
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Because doing something without greasing the right palms results in a lot of “accidents” and other issues?



Or it's a bullshite story that people like to tell
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
24051 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:22 pm to
No one should be shocked by bullshite like this. Just another glaring example of government that can't get out of its own way.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
105146 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:22 pm to
It falls into the Dan Rather category.

It may not be true but I sure believe it is possible by knowing some of the groups involved.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131654 posts
Posted on 5/3/19 at 3:24 pm to
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Or it's a bullshite story that people like to tell


K. I don't think it is based on who I originally heard it from but anything is possible.

And it is widely known in NOLA.
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