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The man trap. It's really tough being a high income male
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:50 pm
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Nathan, a successful lawyer in Manhattan, hardly seems like a candidate for sympathy. His midtown office is smart, his suit is natty and he earns a decent living negotiating contracts and intellectual-property rights for players in the city’s dynamic entertainment industry. Divorced and in his late 40s, he speaks fondly of his teenage children and is delighted with his fiancée, whom he will marry in a few weeks’ time. His life is good, he assures me, and he is thriving in his career. So it is only with some hesitation that he admits something he has never discussed before, not even with his closest friends: “In the society that I live in, as a professional in New York City, I think it is easier being a woman than being a man.” This is not to say that being a woman is easy, Nathan hastily adds. He understands why many are frustrated by “the way they are expected to do it all, to have a career and be moms, it’s a whole contradictory bundle of things.” It’s just that few women seem to notice that men, too, are struggling with a similarly burdensome bundle. “As the man, there’s this tacit expectation that I’m going to be the earner and the person who kills bugs and fixes things around the house. At the same time, I’m going to be responsive to feelings and helpful with cooking and the children and those kinds of things.” Unlike his two long-term female partners, who pursued personally rewarding careers that offered enough flexibility to be available to their children, Nathan felt obliged to pursue work that offered a pay cheque large enough to support a family. “For the last 20-plus years I’ve been chained to a desk,” he says. “I’m in a profession that I’m happy to be in, but if I were a 20-year-old and told I could do anything I wanted with my life, I’m not sure I’d be doing this.” Nathan speaks enviously of female friends who decided to leave their professional careers when they became mothers. “They weren’t perceived as failures. If anything, they were told ‘That’s so great, you’re choosing to be a mom, that’s the most important thing in the world.’ That is not an option open to men.”
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Nathan is not alone in his misgivings. Between 1977 and 2008 the percentage of American fathers in dual-earner couples who suffered from work-family conflicts jumped from 35% to 60%. The percentage of similarly vexed mothers grew only slightly, from 41% to 47%. Young men who get stuck supporting a family often report high levels of stress and sadness that they aren’t spending more time with their kids. Because men – and especially white, professional men – occupy a uniquely privileged place in society, Nathan is reluctant to discuss his feelings openly. “I’ve never expressed this to any of the women in my life, and I think it’s best that I don’t,” he says. He is right to be wary. Most conversations about gender inequities characterise men like Nathan as part of the problem. Women around the world may be graduating from college at higher rates than men, but they have yet to achieve similar rates of success in their careers. The uneven burdens of parenthood appear to be to blame. Although men in rich countries spend far more time cooking, cleaning and child-rearing than ever before, their efforts continue to be dwarfed by those of women. In America, for example, mothers devote nearly twice as much time to child care and housework as their male partners. Even couples with grand plans for an egalitarian partnership typically revert to more traditional roles after the birth of a child. A new study of the time-diaries of highly educated dual-earning American couples found that new fathers enjoyed up to three-and-a-half times as much leisure as their female partners, as mothers who worked full time were still stuck with the lion’s share of unpaid labour.
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Among professionals, fathers report being just as frustrated with their working hours as mothers, and are often just as distressed about not spending enough time with their children. But uncertainty over how other men will view them makes them less likely to take advantage of child-friendly policies, and far more resistant to becoming stay-at-home parents themselves. In a recent survey of millennial men, Sarah Thébaud of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and David S. Pedulla of the University of Texas at Austin found that men were more inclined to use flexibility benefits when they believed their male colleagues would do the same. Other studies of paternity-leave policies have found that men take the benefit only when it is clearly meant for men and other fathers are using it too. A study in Norway, for example, found that men were far more likely to take leave if their brothers or male co-workers had taken it already. Otherwise most men assume that even gender-neutral flexibility policies are meant for women, and that if they take advantage of them, they will incur their colleagues’ disdain. Many are haunted by the views of colleagues like Chase, a father in his late 40s who is a partner at an international law firm in Chicago. “When I see a woman who has children and I know she and her husband are working like crazy, that concerns me for the sake of the kids,” he says. “But when I see stay-at-home dads, I don’t think very highly of them. Call it sexist, call it whatever you want, but I think it’s kind of wimpy to do that. It’s checking out, not being in the game, not fighting for success. Those are the traits I value.”
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:51 pm to RedRifle
It really isn't fair. Can't even get a manicure without being judged
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:53 pm to RedRifle
Excerpts are meant for snipetts of text not the whole fricking essay
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:55 pm to RedRifle
That's a lot of text. What's it about? Some kind of trap?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:57 pm to RedRifle
Nathan is a pussy and needs his arse whipped.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:57 pm to RedRifle
Being an unattractive man beats being an unattractive woman any day. At least you can work hard to improve your desirability to women and life. Being an attractive woman is the good life.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:00 pm to RedRifle
The real man trap was me getting a few sentences into what I thought was an excerpt and realizing that your OP would never end.
Nathan sounds like a pansy, too.
Nathan sounds like a pansy, too.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:14 pm to RedRifle
I'll say this. Being a man requires much more responsibility than being a woman. I don't want to get into details but that is based on my own personal experiences.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:51 pm to RedRifle
I thought this was going to be women lying about birth control.
Always wrap it up, boys.
Always wrap it up, boys.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:54 pm to RedRifle
I'm not reading that but if sounds like Nathan is a PAB and we will remain so because he is weak minded.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:58 pm to RedRifle
Sounds like Nathan never sprouted balls
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:00 pm to RedRifle
Suck it up baw.
You’re a man.
Or least you’re supposed to act like one.
You’re a man.
Or least you’re supposed to act like one.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:01 pm to RedRifle
Wait does this apply to me if I never plan on getting married?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:03 pm to RedRifle
There's a reason why all of this false propaganda, "girl power" silliness is constantly shoved down everyone's throats in television, film, news, etc.. They want to paint a picture that women can do anything a man can do (and better) instead of recognizing and praising women for what they are supposed to do. It's always about being "better" than any man instead of recognizing the great qualities in both sexes.
However the moment the going gets tough or someone needs their tire changed, then all of that nonsensical foolishness goes out the door. Reality comes at them fast and they hate it. That's why they have to lie to themselves.
However the moment the going gets tough or someone needs their tire changed, then all of that nonsensical foolishness goes out the door. Reality comes at them fast and they hate it. That's why they have to lie to themselves.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:07 pm to RedRifle
YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN !!!
-- The Godfather
-- The Godfather
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:16 pm to upgrayedd
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Hipster trap
Pictures missing some worn out LPs and a cheap arse Crosley turntable.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:50 pm to RedRifle
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“the way they are expected to do it all, to have a career and be moms,
You’re expected to have a career and be a dad, don’t see much of a difference.
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