re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris

Lol the difference is all those squirrels work hard.

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You should stop making them dependent.

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it’s hard to break a dependency on food.

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ol the difference is all those squirrels work hard.

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republicans hate that we aren’t animals.

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What's the point here?

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Some jobs are meant to be entry level jobs not living/family supporting jobs.

Minimum wage jobs are for

1. Teens or college students
2. People with little skills who need to develop some through hard work
3. Spouses who want a job for supplemental household income but need schedule flexibility or low stress
4. Elderly retirees who need something to do or some supplemental income

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Nailed it. I own an electrical contracting business with multiple offices in Texas. I hire guys from zero experience to guys that are already licensed Journeymen. I have no problem paying a guy to do nothing but sweep or get material. The idea that somebody should be able to fully support a family while doing nothing but sweeping is ridiculous. Thats the construction equivalent of flipping burgers. You want more money? Learn how to read a tape, learn how to read prints, learn the basics of electricity, learn the Code, get the next license, and show progress in the trade. I have guys making over $100k/year. They've earned it.

To the guys that say, "CEO's are pocketing millions on the backs of others!!!!" That guy flipping burgers has ZERO liability and ZERO risk. Even guys that do have responsibility within my company have zero risk. Fall through a ceiling? I pay for it. Get hurt on the job? I pay for it. Cause an accident and wreck someone else's vehicle and a company vehicle? I pay for it. A client decides to not pay? I pay for it. All those benefits you expect and feel entitled to? Health insurance, retirement, paid vacations, paid holidays, take home vehicle? I pay for all that.

The more employees want, the higher it drives the company cost up. I'm already having to keep up with rising costs of insurance, shop leases, utilities, legal/bookkeeping/CPA services, material costs. Which means I have to charge clients more. Charging more means we close less. It is very difficult to justify getting paid more for an inferior product. You want more? Work for it. Show you can do more than flip burgers or sweep up a jobsite. Your problems aren't my problem.

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It’s a job just like any other job.

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No it isnt.

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And the ones who want to better their lives, how do they support themselves during trade school to improve their lives?

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I went to trade school from 16-18 to learn electrical. I worked as a busboy at a restaurant, was a bag boy at a grocery store, and then got an entry level position as an electrician when I was far enough along in school. Class was only 2 hours a day, on average. It's not like trade school is some 8-5 M-F thing.
I sponsor a state-approved apprenticeship program. Apprentices get paid to work, and I pay for their schooling and books. Class is 5-9 one night a week. Its not as hard as you're trying to make it sound.

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Fast Food jobs aren’t supposed to provide you a livable wage. They’re supplemental income.


It’s a job just like any other job.

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Jobs dont have objective value. If youre easily replaced, you have little value. It benefits a worker to make sure theyre not easily replaceable.

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I went to trade school from 16-18 to learn electrical. I worked as a busboy at a restaurant, was a bag boy at a grocery store, and then got an entry level position as an electrician when I was far enough along in school. Class was only 2 hours a day, on average. It's not like trade school is some 8-5 M-F thing.

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That’s really cool if you’re 16 and live at home with no bills.

It is that hard. If you want to go to a trade school, for, say, software (the equivalent would be a boot camp), which is typically the highest paying entry level job that doesn’t require a degree in most states, you have class a lot longer than 2 hours and homework and studying is insanely rigorous. I know because I dabbled in it. I went to one of the top bootcamps in the country (not one of these cheap scam 12 week programs) and it was 10-5, and I never studied less than 4 hours a night. It was deferred tuition (you don’t pay until you get a job that pays at least 75k, at which point you give 15% of your salary), but they specifically recommended we don’t have jobs because we wouldn’t make it. They were right. I left because it was too intense and went back to my old career.

Also, if people don’t have a livable wage, like literally not livable, how are they going to survive through school.

It doesn’t make sense. Someone has to do those jobs regardless of how many people work their way up as they’re living at home and have no bills to worry about.