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re: The house that sold for $800K over asking price speaks to the inequity of California

Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:18 am to
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:18 am to
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*not in the area you work


My bank account tells a much different story.
Posted by crazycubes
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:19 am to
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that's a major reason why there is a housing shortage in these areas. most affluent areas in CA refuse to allow a Houston-like sprawl


This doesn't make any sense. How to you not allow a private land owner to subdivide his property
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:20 am to
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And more than that have moved into CA. Net migration is positive.

actual there was a net negative of 1.1M in that timeframe

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About 5 million Californians left between 2004 and 2013. Roughly 3.9 million people came here from other states during that period, for a net population loss of more than 1 million people.

The trend resulted in a net loss of about $26 billion in annual income.

About 600,000 California residents left for Texas, which drew more Californians than any other state. Roughly 350,000 people came from Texas to California.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:21 am to
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How to you not allow a private land owner to subdivide his property

zoning and permitting, brah

the authoritarian tool of the local government

plus local building codes drive up the cost

this is all on top of the price of land and construction costs that are inflated
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:23 am to
There is no denying that they have some serious issues to face in the coming decades. But from everything I can see, there's no slow down in the building boom the tech companies are fronting.

Whether it's the Google campus I mentioned, or the Central Wolfe campus Apple is going to rent, or all the data centers going up.

Actually, the entire West Coast is a forest of tower cranes, from border to border.

That's a problem I imagine a lot of other places would like to have.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:25 am to
It makes no sense why a ranch style home should be there. The area needs to build vertical to support the demand. And why would companies flock to a location where they have to pay their workers tremendous amounts of money just to survive? As a shareholder I’d push for them to locate to an affordable area and save on labor costs
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:25 am to
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zoning and permitting, brah

the authoritarian tool of the local government

plus local building codes drive up the cost

this is all on top of the price of land and construction costs that are inflated


Is that worse than the unfetterred development that much of Louisiana or a city like Houston have allowed?

When you live in a almost paradise environment like much of California, with all these people, if you don't keep a clamp on things, it'll get out of hand in a heartbeat.

The skyline in CA still amazes me. You can see the mountains without having to look past a forest of McDonald and Taco Bell signs on poles. They value their quality of life in that way.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 9:27 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:28 am to
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There is no denying that they have some serious issues to face in the coming decades. But from everything I can see, there's no slow down in the building boom the tech companies are fronting.

i said Big Tech is one of our primary national economic drivers. i'm not hating on Big Tech

the problem is going to be how the state and local governments respond. the article wants them to steal a bigger chunk of that industrial economy to spread it around. that's going to be a bad thing

just look at this quote form the article

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“Every day, people are on the road for an hour, two hours, each way. We’re wasting so much talent and skill and the disparity in income is just ridiculous,” said Clark. “The government’s job is defense, and building roads and schools. But another part of the government’s job is income distribution and too much of it has gone to the super-wealthy.”


that's the meta issue

that kind of thinking is insane. like i said. killing the goose that lays golden eggs
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:29 am to
Another thing about that rent I pay. By law, the rent after a lease renewal in San Jose can't go up more than 3%. Mine went up 2% to $2550 when I renewed in September. I'll manage, somehow.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:31 am to
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It makes no sense why a ranch style home should be there. The area needs to build vertical to support the demand. And why would companies flock to a location where they have to pay their workers tremendous amounts of money just to survive? As a shareholder I’d push for them to locate to an affordable area and save on labor costs


Because that's where they want live, shareholders included.

It's really, really nice there. People are willing to pay more to live there, and they're not as likely to move with a company, they'll just switch companies. There's that much competition for their talents.

When a ranch like that sells, that close to Apple, you can bet it's a big wig with every intention to replace that ranch with something much grander. They're just buying the lot.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 9:33 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:33 am to
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Is that worse than the unfetterred development that much of Louisiana or a city like Houston have allowed?

depends on who you're asking

worse for the super wealthy execs in Big Tech? no

worse for the middle and upper middle class workers across all industries in the area? big yes

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When you live in a almost paradise environment like much of California, with all these people, if you don't keep a clamp on things, it'll get out of hand in a heartbeat.

this discussion tree is about why there isn't an adequate supply of homes (which is driving up the costs of homes like the one in OP)

you're showing the exact philosophy that is leading to a housing shortage in the area

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The skyline in CA still amazes me. You can see the mountains without having to look past a forest of McDonald and Taco Bell signs on poles. They value their quality of life in that way.

and they pay for it, which means many people who work in the area can't afford to live there (in response to the article in OP)

like one of my early posts said, CA wants it all. they want a booming economy, affordable housing, AND pristine exclusivity

that's impossible. you can get 2 of those 3 but not all 3
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:35 am to
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By law, the rent after a lease renewal in San Jose can't go up more than 3%.

rent control is another symptom of ensuring low supply of housing. that's another reason rents/costs increase overall
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:36 am to
You can see it just driving around there. Tesla's are a dime a dozen, as are mega dollar Porsches, S-class Mercs, and any other zooty car you care to name. Affluence draws more affluence.

It's a bummer for the service industry employees, but it's still a really nice place to live in most ways.

I still can't get used to the almost total lack of bugs. That's really weird for someone from Louisiana.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:38 am to
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rent control is another symptom of ensuring low supply of housing. that's another reason rents/costs increase overall


It keeps my rent affordable, and ensures that you can't be priced out of the market when the lease is up. It's sure not slowing down people snapping up properties to rent out for income.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:39 am to
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It keeps my rent affordable,

yes it incentivizes hoarding of the supply and disincentivizes the profit of future developments (where they'll have to start with an initially insane price to ensure they can keep up with the market). again, i'm not talking about YOUR situation. i'm talking about the general issues, specifically as they relate to the argument in the article in OP
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:43 am to
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depends on who you're asking


Lets ask all the people that have been flooded in the last several years.

I'm sure the people in Houston that knew they were't in a flood zone, only to find out they were in a flood plain from the reservoir they live near are thrilled.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:45 am to
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yes it incentivizes hoarding of the supply and disincentivizes the profit of future developments (where they'll have to start with an initially insane price to ensure they can keep up with the market). again, i'm not talking about YOUR situation. i'm talking about the general issues, specifically as they relate to the argument in the article in OP


Explain the massive amount of development there that is is directly contrary to that. Even the non-union residential electrical contractors are swamped.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 9:55 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:46 am to
everyone lives in a "flood zone". the assignment deals with the risk involved. what you're calling a "flood zone" is just the designated area that requires certain flood insurance (and received federal subsidies) due to the risk involved

and, those are federal designations based on the NFIP and/or requirements of banks who offer mortgages for the properties

that's not a local/state issue

Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:49 am to
I'm sure the sellers really give a shite.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:49 am to
From what my sister, who lives in Friendswood, was explaining it to me, lots of people knew they lived in a flood zone. But they have separate areas called flood plains, there are only susceptible to flooding if they release water from a overloaded reservoir. Lots of people didn't know they live in one of those areas, apparently.
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